"Are we prepared to promote conditions in which the living contact with God can be reestablished? For our lives today have become godless to the point of complete vacuity. God is no longer with us in the conscious sense of the word. He is denied, ignored, excluded from every claim to have a part in our daily life." - Alfred Delp, S.J.

Thursday, July 07, 2016

There has got to be some mistake: San Diego Bishop Robert McElroy on homosexuality ...

Tired of the constant run around.


I'll bet he was misquoted.
McElroy told America that the Church should use “inclusive, embracing,” and “pastoral” language when referring to the same-sex attracted and sexual acts between people of the same sex.
Labeling homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered,” as the Catechism does, is “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally,” McElroy said. - Source

I disagree.  The Catechism distinguishes homosexual acts from the person.  Homosexual sexual acts are intrinsically disordered.  The inclination itself is pretty much towards sexual acts, hence the language, objectively disordered acts - one may be inclined - tempted to sexual acts which are morally disordered.  Read the Catechism.  The Holy Father himself has referenced the entire teaching.  Catholic teaching does not condemn the person.

I can tell you for a fact homosexual acts are gravely disordered and do not please God.

I'm getting tired of this constant run around and linguistic sleight of hand from Catholic theologians and clergy. Make that Bad Lifesite News Editing.

Update: The Bishop was misquoted - my apologies!

From Catholic in Brooklyn:

You need to look at the original article:
http://americamagazine.org/content/dispatches/digging-deep-mercy-we-all-need 
Lifesitenews should never be considered a source.  
Here is a quote from the original article: 
“My own view,” the bishop said, “is that much of the destructive attitude of many Catholics to the gay and lesbian community is motivated by a failure to comprehend the totality of the church’s teaching on homosexuality.”
That teaching includes the conviction that “moral sexual activity only takes place within the context of marriage between a man and a woman.”
But “that’s not a teaching which applies just to gay men,” Bishop McElroy said. “It is teaching across the board and there is massive failure on that.”
And 
"While The Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality and other teaching on pastoral care for L.G.B.T. Catholics deplores violence or unjust discrimination against people who are gay or lesbian, it also describes homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered.”
Bishop McElroy thinks that phrasing ought to be carefully reconsidered. “The word ‘disordered’ to most people is a psychological term,” he explains. “In Catholic moral theology it is a philosophical term that is automatically misunderstood in our society as a psychological judgment.” He thought the term evidence of “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally.” 


Gulp.  My bad.

That said - I think the language is just fine and completely understandable.

7 comments:

  1. I agree, Terry. They are the ones causing confusion among the faithful and not our Holy Father as many like to say.

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  2. You need to look at the original article:

    http://americamagazine.org/content/dispatches/digging-deep-mercy-we-all-need

    Lifesitenews should never be considered a source.

    Here is a quote from the original article:

    “My own view,” the bishop said, “is that much of the destructive attitude of many Catholics to the gay and lesbian community is motivated by a failure to comprehend the totality of the church’s teaching on homosexuality.”

    That teaching includes the conviction that “moral sexual activity only takes place within the context of marriage between a man and a woman.”

    But “that’s not a teaching which applies just to gay men,” Bishop McElroy said. “It is teaching across the board and there is massive failure on that.”


    And

    "While The Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality and other teaching on pastoral care for L.G.B.T. Catholics deplores violence or unjust discrimination against people who are gay or lesbian, it also describes homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered.”

    Bishop McElroy thinks that phrasing ought to be carefully reconsidered. “The word ‘disordered’ to most people is a psychological term,” he explains. “In Catholic moral theology it is a philosophical term that is automatically misunderstood in our society as a psychological judgment.” He thought the term evidence of “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally.”


    I have to agree with the bishop. Read the rest of the article.

    Never accept criticism of the hierarchy of the church without checking it out first, especially on horrendous sites life Lifesite News.

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    1. I second your motion regarding LifeSiteNews.

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    2. Terry was right in betting the bishop was misquoted. Some so-called sources specialize in such activity. 😐

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    3. Many thanks - I should have known better! My bad.

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    4. No, Terry, it is not your bad. Why would you not trust a website that purports to be pro life and Cafholic. I have just had so much experience with radical right Cafholics who twist and manipulate the facts that I don't trust them anymore. So I always try to go to the source.

      Most "catholic" websites and blogs just cannot be trusted. But even when I don't agree with you, I always trust you, Terry, because I know your only agenda is the truth.

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  3. LifeSiteNews??? Its the National Enquirer of Catholic "News" sites! Every times someone quotes them or links them I know its gonna be a wackadoodle thing and it always is. They and their posters are CRAZY!! And I love them..you can can't buy entertainment like that.

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