"Are we prepared to promote conditions in which the living contact with God can be reestablished? For our lives today have become godless to the point of complete vacuity. God is no longer with us in the conscious sense of the word. He is denied, ignored, excluded from every claim to have a part in our daily life." - Alfred Delp, S.J.

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

St. Hippolytus was an anti-pope - and a saint.

The Martyrdom of Saint Hippolytus
according to the legendary version of Prudentius (Paris, 14th century)
Perfect death for a schismatic, huh?  

More Catholic than the Pope?

It's all rather complicated...

Hippolytus - according to Magnificat was upset with Pope Callistus because he was too lenient - too soft 'toward the Sabellian* heresy'.  Sound familiar?

How many people are upset with Francis because he is too lenient on heretics and homos?

OMG!  What if someone makes himself pope in opposition to Pope Francis now?

You know what?  I don't think it matters - so long as he dies a martyr.

That is why I always say: "It's all good."

It also drives Catholic fundamentalists nuts.

*In Christianity, Sabellianism (also known as modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism) is the trinitarian belief that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of one monadic God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead - that there are no real differences between the three, such that there is no identity for the Spirit or the Son.


The term Sabellianism comes from Sabellius, a theologian and priest from the 3rd century. - Wiki

(Ed. note: I think Oneness Pentecostals are pretty much modalists - Remember Francis met with Pentecostals recently in Italy and some Catholics were upset? That's why.  I'm serious.)

Anyway... Fun with facts.

Pope Poodle I

Song for this post, the grand ole opry classic:
She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick... durn, durn, durn ... Ohhhhhhhhh! She could never be a saint...

Sung to the tune of: Gypsy Joe and Me.

**H/T Jeron


  1. How many people are upset with Francis because he is too lenient on heretics and homos?

    It also drives Catholic fundamentalists nuts.

    I have been thinking...in the grand scheme of things and the current hostile situation our many brothers and sister find themselves in, who has time for such pettiness?

    I mean really. I highly doubt anyone in Iraq whose livelihood or whose dignity is stripped, whose Church or Mosque is destroyed, whose child is raped or beheaded even thinks twice if the Pope looks at them crossed eyed.

    From Iraq: two minutes that will put your world in perspective


    I stand with the "truly persecuted" and not the imaginary ones.

  2. A misleading comparison (and self-serving to boot). What is being proposed now (this time of new 'mercy') is not the kind of mercy that Pope Callistus rightly defended, for Pope Callistus' mercy did not come at the compromise of the truth and the integrity of Catholic doctrine (contrary to Cardinal Kasper and, by implication, Pope Francis).

    The matter has been settled. It's just that the Modernists don't like the answer:

    "Reconciliation in the sacrament of Penance, which would open the way to the Eucharist, can only be granted to those who, repenting of having broken the sign of the Covenant and of fidelity to Christ, are sincerely ready to undertake a way of life that is no longer in contradiction to the indissolubility of marriage. This means, in practice, that when, for serious reasons, such as for example the children’s upbringing, a man and a woman cannot satisfy the obligation to separate, they “take on themselves the duty to live in complete continence, that is, by abstinence from the acts proper to married couples."(Familiaris Consortio, 84)

    'Mercy' that undermines the sanctity and indissolubility of marriage, in turn, of course, undermines the whole of Church teaching, which is entirely integral. This would include teaching on the Holy Eucharist.

    1. Labels: scandal; novelty; the narrow road abandoned; don't be fooled or at least stop fooling others; trusting in princes


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