See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient with it until it receives the early and the late rains. - James 5:7

Monday, January 10, 2011

Our Lady of Mejugorje is 165 meters tall.



New book with interviews of the seers.

This year marks 30 years since the phenomena of Medjugorje began, attracting over 30 million pilgrims in the process.  I wanted to believe in the apparitions, but I have always been unable to sustain any interest.  That is not to say I haven't been impressed with the devotion some of the adherents of Medjugorje have shown over the years.  A few devout people impressed me so much I was willing to accept the veracity of the apparitions on their testimony alone.  Holy people can be deceived as easily as sinners, even without losing the grace of God.  But like I said, I have never been able to sustain any interest in Medjugorje, and I am more inclined to disbelieve it entirely - especially in light of some very good documentation discrediting the veracity and obedience of the people involved.
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That said, I do not have the competence to say it is true or false, I only follow what the Church says and await the final official decision.  Of course belief in such matters is neither required or necessary for salvation. 
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"The Virgin Mary is a blue eyed teenage girl that appears taller than she is because she stands on a cloud."

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That is according to a new book that has carried out exclusive interviews with the the visionaries of Medjugorje, who first saw her 30 years ago this year when they were schoolchildren.
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On June 24, 1981, six children in the town of Medjugorje, in then Yugoslavia, began to experience phenomena which they alleged to be apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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The apparition they saw had a message of peace for the world, as well as a call to conversion, prayer and fasting.
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The message has gained a strong following among Catholics worldwide and Međugorje has become one of the most popular pilgrimage sites attracting over 30 million pilgrims since the apparitions began in 1981. - Croatian Times
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I've noticed a wavering pattern with some Medjugorje believers over the years, they accept the events as true, then they don't, and suddenly they do again.  Such inconsistency seems to me to be natural - perhaps all too human, rather than direct diabolic delusion.  Possibly it is a case of 'the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak' .  In some cases it just might be that fallen human nature, desperate for some sort of sensate quasi-spiritual consolation or affirmation, returns hoping to recover an earlier experience of God's love.  I think sometimes God grants these mercies to desperate souls lest they despair.  Despite themselves, some end up attributing the grace to the extraordinary claims of the so-called apparition.  Indeed, God does work in and through particular places and events.  I'm not a theologian, so it is difficult for me to explain this very well.

Take a desperate man for instance, perhaps some sort of addict.  Suppose he wanders into a Pentecostal revival meeting and there experiences an inner healing or inner conviction concerning the love of God.  Almighty God can and does work outside the Church and 'approved' means sometimes.  It doesn't mean that Pentecostalism is the way to go however.  Frequently desperate souls find the encounter with God they need for salvation outside the normal structure of the Church and the sacraments.  Grace builds upon grace of course, thus solace in this or that particular experience which can sometimes be found outside the scope of Church approval, is meant to be a stepping stone to a destination, not the destination.  Similarly apparitions, private revelations and spiritual consolations are not an end in itself.
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Some movements can be a threat to pure faith of course, thus we see the Church entering in to correct any error, false teaching, and so on.  Normally, in and of themselves, unapproved private revelations often pose no harm to individuals of good faith - so long as the messages lead the soul to authentic conversion, the practice of the virtues, devout reception of the sacraments - and of course, fidelity to Church teaching.  What is always necessary is that pure faith be based upon the fullness of the truth of Jesus Christ which is only found in the Roman Catholic Church.
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In the meantime, wavering souls often need some sort of solace in this vale of tears, and if they do not find it in their parishes, they will find it in dubious movements and private revelations.  Most of us are very little souls, very weak, and in need of great mercy.  Let's pray for one another. 
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H/T Spirit Daily

9 comments:

  1. The pentacostal convert analogy is quite good, Terry. Essentially God encourages us when we move in a positive direction towards the final destination...it's the same thing that Benedict was referring to when he gave the example of condom use by a male prostitute, isn't it?

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  2. I'm a convert *from* protestant Pentecostalism (a former minister of same no less) - the folks associated with the BigM and charismaticism within the CC generally speaking don't get it when I express little interest in the later and no interest whatsoever in the former. Gratefully I am too busy plumbing the depths of the Sacraments and Adoration and the Mass and the historic writings of the Church, the sacred Scriptures included and so forth to have any time or interest or frankly need for other.

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  3. I'm medjuskeptical and see no reason to look further than the disobedience to the Bishop and the alleged apparition having spoken against him. Our Lady counsels obedience even when it seems unjust.

    my verification word is heersain and that's right; the statements attributed to Our Lady are mere hearsay.

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  4. michael r.7:46 AM

    "I've noticed a wavering pattern with some Medjugorje believers over the years, they accept the events as true, then they don't, and suddenly they do again." -- Interesting observation. I've never known anyone to waver back into belief in Medjugorje, once they have left.

    Also, good observation re pentecostalism. I was thinking of the charismatic movement, which I have been skeptical of for forty years since it began. As someone else suggested, I believe that all one needs for ordinary grace is the sacraments and private devotions.

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  5. Doesn't anybody else find it baffling that a Jewish teenager living in the middle east would have blue eyes?

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  6. My main reason for posting this was trying to figure out why some very good people continue to believe in these events - I know really very solid priests and religious who do. I was also trying to understand the wavering types, those who believe for awhile, then recant, only to proclaim faith in the apparitions once again. These too strike me as very good Catholics.

    (All of those I'm discussing are those who maintain a somewhat private belief, a quiet devotion, and do not promote the devotion or reject Church authority.)

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  7. Family-dude, I think blue eyes are a natural variant in most every race - though rare in some.

    It is good to keep in mind what St. Thomas says about mystical experience that it is received according to the mode of the receiver.

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  8. Regarding Mary's eye color: When Mary has appeared to visionaries throughout history she has often appeared more similar in looks to whom she is appearing (that particular culture) rather than her own earthly culture. Just because she was a middle eastern does not mean she will appear looking as she did. I marvel at the wisdom in this. Blue eyes can come from the Medj. region. This is not to say that I agree or disagree with the apparitions in Medj. - only to point out how she has appeared in previous approved visions. I think there is other more poignant evidence that could dissuade one from believing in the authenticity in Medj. other than eye color.

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  9. But the final opinion of the Church HAS been given...twice. Each time by the Bishop of Mostar. So the case is closed. Unless, of course, some mischief maker in the Vatican or elsewhere (like the execrable Schonbron) should want to undermine the competent authority.

    And in case anyone is interested, Medjugorje was totally, and I mean TOTALLY, demolished nearly thirty years ago by Hamish Fraser in Scotland, Frere Michel in France, Brother Francis MICM in New Hampshire and Michael Davies in England.

    I'm afraid that continually clinging to this hoax is going to have very grave consequences for the Church, if it hasn't already.

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