Saturday, September 14, 2013

Cardinal Burke obviously supports Archbishop Nienstedt... "The alarming rapidity of the realization of the homosexual agenda ought to awaken all of us... There is only one place these types of lies come from, namely Satan."

"There is far too much silence..."

Q. Things seem to be declining at an accelerating rate in our country. For example, it is shocking how quickly things happened in Minnesota. A year ago it seemed almost certain that a November ballot referendum would constitutionally define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Despite a heroic effort by Archbishop John Nienstedt and many other Church leaders, it failed. Just four months later a law was enacted making Minnesota the 12th state to legalize so- called same- sex marriage. How did we get to this point? Aside from prayer and fasting, what can the faithful do?

Cardinal Burke: First of all, I would underline the need for much prayer and fasting. The alarming rapidity of the realization of the homosexual agenda ought to awaken all of us and frighten us with regard to the future of our nation. This is a work of deceit, a lie about the most fundamental aspect of our human nature, our human sexuality, which after life itself defines us. There is only one place these types of lies come from, namely Satan. It is a diabolical situation which is aimed at destroying individuals, families, and eventually our nation.

How did we get to this point? The fact that these kinds of “ arrangements” are made legal is a manifestation of a culture of death, of an anti- life and anti- family culture which has existed in our nation now for some time. We as Catholics have not properly combatted it because we have not been taught our Catholic Faith, especially in the depth needed to address these grave evils of our time. This is a failure of catechesis both of children and young people that has been going on for fifty years. It is being addressed, but it needs much more radical attention. I can say this because I was the bishop of two different dioceses.

After fifty years of this, we have many adult voters who support politicians with immoral positions because they do not know their Catholic Faith and its teaching with regard to same- sex attraction and the inherent disorder of sexual relations between two persons of the same sex. Therefore, they are not able to defend the Catholic Faith in this matter.

What has also contributed greatly to the situation is an exaltation of the virtue of tolerance which is falsely seen as the virtue which governs all other virtues. In other words, we should tolerate other people in their immoral actions to the extent that we seem also to accept the moral wrong. Tolerance is a virtue, but it is certainly not the principal virtue; the principal virtue is charity. Charity means speaking the truth, especially the truth about human life and human sexuality. While we love the individual, we desire only the best for one who suffers from an inclination to engage in sexual relations with a person of the same sex. We must abhor the actions themselves because they are contrary to nature itself as God has created us.

The virtue of charity leads us to be kind and understanding to the individual, but also to be firm and steadfast in opposing the evil itself. This confusion is widespread. I have encountered it many times myself as a priest and bishop. It is something we simply need to address. There is far too much silence — people do not want to talk about it because the topic is not “ politically correct.” But we cannot be silent any longer or we will find ourselves in a situation that will be very difficult to reverse. - Source

Pray very much for our faithful bishops. 


  1. I'll try to be concise for once so:


    .".its SATAN folks!! Its tearing apart families (???) and the very fabric of this country."

    Damage Control:

    They realize they lost a lot of the faithful on this issue, so they are trying desperately to keep the people they do have.


    :"You people are uneducated and ignorant and are not capable of thinking for yourself so your voting for the wrong people!...i.e. its all your fault that we don't have the pull we used to!"

    I also love him trying to attribute theses changes not on people living their lives and seeing the truth of the matter that gay people and families are far from "evil," sick creatures hopelessly lost in a moral abyss but..just kind of like "us." and instead blame it on an over abundance of "political correctness!"

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  3. You nailed it, Mack. Thank you! The bishops may have power (to fire church workers, for instance, who disagree with them), but they have no influence. And for that I'm both thankful and hopeful.

    Of course, one bishop who is showing that he has great influence on people is the Bishop of Rome, Pope Francis. And why is this? Well, he's not ranting and raving about marriage equality and its supposed satanic origins, but focusing instead on what Jesus was actually all about -- inclusion, justice, compassion, and inviting people to live fully human, and thus grace-filled lives. Niensted and Burke should take note!

  4. Hi guys - Michael I was able to read your comment before you removed it. You mentioned at least Pope Francis doesn't 'rant and rave' about the marriage issue, but 3 years ago, before his election, he had quite a lot to say:

    [Letter of Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, to the Carmelite Nuns of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires (June 22, 2010)]

    I write this letter to each one of you in the four Monasteries of Buenos Aires. The Argentine people must face, in the next few weeks, a situation whose result may gravely harm the family. It is the bill on matrimony of persons of the same sex.
    The identity of the family, and its survival, are in jeopardy here: father, mother, and children. The life of so many children who will be discriminated beforehand due to the lack of human maturity that God willed them to have with a father and a mother is in jeopardy. A clear rejection of the law of God, engraved in our hearts, is in jeopardy.
    I recall words of Saint Thérèse when she speaks of the infirmity of her childhood. She says that the envy of the Devil tried to extort her family after her older sister joined the Carmel. Here, the envy of the Devil, through which sin entered the world, is also present, and deceitfully intends to destroy the image of God: man and woman, who receive the mandate to grow, multiply, and conquer the earth."

  5. Thanks for restoring your comment Michael - so you see, both Cardinal Burke and Archbishop Nienstedt are in agreement with what the Pope said before his elevation to the Chair of Peter.

  6. Yes, Terry, and how much influence did that tactic have in Argentina on marriage equality?

    Perhaps Cardinal Bergoglio actually learned something from that. Hence the abandoning of such a tactic and its accompanying language now that he's pope. People can and do change -- even those on the Chair of Peter.

    Then again, maybe it wasn't Bergoglio's idea to go all fanatic on the marriage equality thing to begin with. You fail to mention, Terry, that as Cardinal Bergoglio, the pope actually supported civil marriage for same-sex couples as an alternative to the gay marriage law that passed in Argentina in July 2010.(That's a position which, I'm sure you'd agree, puts the pope very much at odds with both Archbishop Nienstedt and Cardinal Burke!)

    Check this out from

    "According to the new pope’s authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, Bergoglio was politically wise enough to know the church couldn’t win a straight-on fight against gay marriage, so he urged his bishops to lobby for gay civil unions instead. It wasn’t until his proposal was shot down by the bishops’ conference that he publicly declared what Paulon described as the 'war of God' — and the church lost the issue altogether.

    "Despite his conservatism, 'Bergoglio is known for being moderate and finding a balance between reactionary and progressive sectors,' Paulon said. 'When he came out strongly against gay marriage, he did it under pressure from the conservatives.' "



  7. I thank the good Lord for His gift of faithful and loving Bishops like Cardinal Burke. When one submits one's self to the truth - maybe even especially when one does not believe the teaching of the Church - the gift of understanding often is given. This was my experience, at least, and I give thanks to God for His love, light, and mercy. This does not mean the truth is easy to live out, but the peace of Christ in striving to live the truth is such a gift.

    Stumble, fall, get up, keep walking in faith and trust behind our Lord.

    1. Amen! It is never easy to submit to and live in accordance with the constant teaching magisterium of the Church. It has never been easy to do so. Cardinal Burke is a very holy man. I had the grace to meet him twice. There are few who have done and who do as much to help Catholics with same sex attraction as Cardinal Burke. Unfortunately, when the lens through which one sees and interprets everything is same sex attraction rather than a new person in Christ it is difficult if not impossible to have an authentic sensus catholicus.

  8. Michael, I'm quite aware of that - the so-called approval was taken into consideration after discussion. Other sources counter the sources you site.

    For example:

    "The accounts by Allen's sources are also contradicted by a personal confidant of Bergoglio during his years as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Miguel Woites, who told the Spanish Catholic news agency ACI Prensa that the New York Times story "isn't true. It's a complete error."

    "It's not correct to write something like that out of thin air," added Woites. "That (New York Times) article was very criticized by the bishops. He certainly would have referred to unions of convenience but not that anything be legalized."

    So you see, Church teaching stands.

    I'm hearing gnashing of teeth from you.

  9. I also forgot to note that as Pope, Francis urged the French parliamentarians to go back and work to repeal the gay marriage laws in their country.

    "(Rome) Pope Francis has urged the French parliamentarians he received, by quite frankly telling them to "override" the already adopted law legalizing "gay marriage" again. Laws must be overridden if they are not "possessed of the necessary quality that elevates and ennobles man", said the head of the Catholic Church. The Pope was referring to the law on "gay marriage," the law of adoption for gays, abortion and euthanasia."

  10. Well, of course those opposed to marriage equality and the moderate (and pragmatic) approach of Bergoglio would be quick to find contradictory "sources" -- a ploy that comes across, in my view, as desperate and rather pathetic. And what these sources are trying to counter hardly comes out of "thin air." It's from the pope's own biographer. Plus, the pope's approach, as noted by his biographer, is increasingly sounding to be in keeping with his overall focus and approach to a range of issues. And THAT'S what causing a lot of 'gnashing of teeth' within reactionary and conservative circles of the church.

    The bottom line is that, as pope, Bergoglio is NOT addressing the issue of marriage equality in the over-the-top way that Nienstedt and Burke are. And that's a good thing -- one that many Catholics find both positive and hopeful.

    As for church teaching on sacramental marriage still standing, fine. It's the hierarchy's interference in the civil arena re. CIVIL marriage equality that I'm opposed to and which, much to the chagrin of Nienstedt and Burke, Catholics have stunningly rejected.

    Again, Burke and Nienstedt need to take heed of Pope Francis and 'let it go' and focus on what's really important -- concern for the poor and issues of justice. Nienstedt could start by renouncing future participation in events held at luxury resorts, one of which, as Fr. Michael Tegeder recently pointed out, was where the Napa Institute held it's recent conference at which Nienstedt made his "satan" comments. As Tegeder clearly documents, Nienstedt and those other bishops who gathered at the Meritage Resort and Spa are clearly out-of-step with the new pope and his message of simplicity and focus on issues of poverty and justice.

  11. I find it interesting Mr. Bayly says that Cardinal Burke and Abp. Nienstedt need to let it go and focus on 'issues of justice,' as if the need to protect the integrity of the person and nature of marriage is outside of justice.

    1. Also inside of justice, perhaps as an element of "the integrity of the person":

      that a baby will be raised by his father and mother. Which includes all the babies: the little gay babies, the straight babies, and in between.

      It takes a village to keep one man faithful to one woman to raise a baby.

    2. Actually, doughboy, they merely want the bishops to focus on "issues of justice" that they're interested in, that are important to them.

      Which is what sin does - forces people to focus on themselves and on what they want - good old fashioned pride - rather than focus on what's best for them. Repentance. Humility. Reparation for sin. Conversion. Those things are hard, so naturally people engaging in sin, and who enjoy it, don't want to be told anything different from that.

      Including myself.

      I hope that God shows them more mercy than the mercy I will require.

  12. This story from yesterday from La Repubblica may be relevant (sorry, it's a bad google translation):

  13. Michael - sorry I didn't add my smiley face to the 'gnashing' reference. I said it that way because of the commentary I ran across on your blog about the termination of the Totino-Grace faulty member. One comment blamed the problem on 'the religion' which echoes your response to these questions, such as, 'the bishops are out of step with - in this case the Pope.' More often it is 'the bishops are out of step with the culture, with science, and so on.' You clearly have problems with the bishops - the hierarchy of the Church, of which Francis is the head. I'm afraid it is you and your organization(s) that is out of step with both the bishops and the pope.

    I think you may have stepped outside the Church on these matters, which is why I asked you if you are still Catholic on your wedding post. To blame 'the religion' which happens to be the Catholi Faith,
    as well as rejecting the Teaching Magisterium of the Church - the bishops in union with the Pope, which includes Nienstedt and Burke - certainly suggests to me you've stepped outside the Church. I'm not sure if the 'Community of the Spirit of St. Stephen's' still exists, but the formation of the group was in effect a type of schism.

    If you and Fr. Tegeder and associates oppose Catholic doctrine, please be honest about it and make your declarations publicly.

    Just for the record, I am hardly a conservative Catholic, much less reactionary. I do not know one traditionalist who would ever grant me the title of conservative or traditional. Not that it's a bad thing, BTW. :)

    1. You're a traditional Catholic in the healthy kind of way... That's my observation anyway. That is, you try to live the faith as the saints have lived it for the last twenty centuries.

  14. Oops - faulty - sb faculty. Hmmm! LOL!

  15. Faithful Catholics follow Church teaching and listen to their bishops.

  16. Sadly many of the Bishop are not following the teachings of the Church. They will be judged with a heavy hand if they continue to march with the progressives. It is time that they go back to teaching us about what sin is. Many Catholic Church prelates have been allowing moral relativism to run rampant in our Holy Mother Church.


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