Inside the Vatican Press Office.
He's the best.
In this segment, Voris clears up all the misunderstanding from yesterday.
He's really holding up well. He still looks really great too.
I also watched EWTN News tonight - Cardinal Schönborn was interviewed and helped clarify the confusion as well.
Clear sailing here on.
Thanks be to God!
H/T Ray (Thanks Ray!)
I read that Cardinal Schönborn's parents were divorced when he was a teenager so I am sure he has good insight into the dilemma of Catholics who divorce and have children.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Michael goes, Rome suits him. If he's helping to clear the hand wringing without any bias spin on his part, then bravo for him! He looks youthful. ^^
I never heard the Cardinal speak before - I like him - he seems so friendly.
DeleteMichael's presentation was a good update. He seems concerned but the explanation that the bishops weren't even aware of the first press release should be enough to remove any concern people have. It will be a long process and much reporting - the Holy Spirit is our advocate, so we need to trust and have faith in the promises of Christ.
Fr. Z suggested the devil is stirring things up and creating great confusion. I agree.
I should have watched the video first before commenting. It does not help matters especially where screw-ups are concerned if what he reports is true but I agree that the evil one is stirring things up for sure. And why not end by asking folks to pray and to not lose hope? Just wonderin...
ReplyDeleteAh well...I know it is a work in progress and will be for a long time to come. The next meeting will not be for another year. I am not going to worry about it since I will continue to trust in the Holy Spirit to guide our Holy Father and the bishops towards a clearer understanding of truth as our Lord Jesus as set it forth.
May they not falter and may their steadfast faith be renewed through our prayers and support.
And like I said before, Terry, I keep asking our Lady and St. Joseph to be there with our Holy Father and the bishops so they stay focused and not get distracted by the media and lookieloos since many of them are not media savvy.
Eventually what really has gone on will come to light. ^^
Just some questions I've been asking.
ReplyDeleteWhy do we act like we had something personal to lose? Especially when the core wisdom of Christianity is that losing in Christ is gain? What right do we have to be nervous or worried? Have we been such perfect keepers and upholders of the faith and tradition that we dare suggest the synod is just a bunch of pastoral gobbledegook and that what we need is just to get down to the grit of good solid traditionalism if we want to put an end to this silly crisis of the family? LOL. Armchair theologians? How about armchair magisteriums? Do we dare even suggest we have been remotely good upholders of the faith? On what terms and according to what measure? Christians are faith-filled followers after what we dare not ask by our own merits. There is a risk in everything, even just in terms of the natural. Has the synod been called for the amusement of bishops who are bored? Is it just that perhaps maybe the Church is so wise that she is led in various instances to put all that she holds dear on the line in imploring the Holy Spirit as her very strength? What strength is there in mere clinging? It's nothing but death.
Just some questions.
"Therefore brethern, stand firm, and cling to the traditions that have been handed down to you."
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But you you say it's nothing but death?
Mere clinging? Sure.
DeleteAnyways, I wrote that comment when I was drunk.
No, I'm kidding.
But I liked this morning's Gospel reading.
Anyhow, one of the reasons I liked it was because it reminded me of the people saying that Pope Francis is insulting them left and right and center. LOL.
DeleteSee - there is humor in everything. Life is beautiful!
DeleteThis document is not official teaching of the church in any sense of the word. It is a summary of what has been said at the Synod. Pope Francis told the participants that he wanted them to feel free to express themselves. Voris makes it sound as if the Chuch is now officially teaching this. This is in how schism starts. Voris is the best at promoting division in the Church. I really disagree with you, Terry. Voris is the same guy who told people theu should stop financially stop supporting their parishes and dioceses. Voris is the same guy who condemned Cardinal Dolan to hell and said that most of our priests and bishops should resign or be fired. If we we're to follow Voris' advice, the Catholic Church would be destroyed.
ReplyDeleteI feel very badly about this, Terry, but I find myself disagreeing with you a lot more these days than agreeing with you. There is nothing official coming from this Synod. The Pope will make all final decisions, and that is not until next year. We need to stop reacting to every statement that is made. The Holy Spirit is still in charge. We are like tthe apostles in the boat during the storm with the sleeping Christ. Will he say to us, "Oh ye of little faith?"
Voris causes separation and division among brethren. That is not a good thing.
@ MM and CIB...The devil's in the division so to speak wherein confusion reigns. Like I told Terry, I should have watched the video first before commenting on M. Voris but it was too late.
DeleteThe one thing that struck me was he never made eye contact with the camera...why? Was he so caught up in the negative reporting? Too busy stirring the pot to reassure folks, to ask for prayer, for calm, for reason, for hope? None of that came across except his bringing up Cardinal Burke.
Anyway, I prayed about that and wondered on many things that some "faithful" Catholics say and do.
I just have to let it go.
I watch Salt and Light's reports on You Tube. I read the Synod news from Deacon Greg and the great Father Barron.
All calm and reasoned and hopeful reporting which gives me hope. Not perfect but nor self-righteous either.
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ReplyDeleteAgreed. Its a summary of what was discussed. You can even read in the letter that they are questions without answers.
Terry, I am amused to think about Voris and what he would think about a "SSA," guy finding him attractive. I think it would be a battle between his weird homophobia and his ego. ; )
Catholic in Brooklyn..I think that you are giving Voris way too much credit. I think that the people who listen to him are going to be of his mind set..so he is preaching to the choir. They are just finding someone they can rally around who will support their viewpoint that the sky is always falling, and anyone who disagrees with them are not "Faithful Catholics."
Anyway, Fr. Barron has a better, less frantic, less emotional take on this then Voris.. I think Shea has it up on his site.
What? SSA? How very dare you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCC6l16MVGg
LOL...very funny.
DeleteI thought you'd enjoy that.
DeleteYou are right, Mack, that only those who agree with Voris will listen to him, but that probably amounts to at least a couple hundred thousand. (Voris' response would be that all of those who don't agree with him aren't real Catholics anyway.) That's small when you think there are a billion Catholics in the world, but Voris' reach on the Catholic blogosphere is pretty big, and I see his influence all over the Internet.
ReplyDeleteI think Voris and everyone else would do well to read this article:
http://time.com/3502522/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-homosexuality/
Here is an excerpt:
"First, here’s what the document actually is:
The relatio is a mid-Synod snapshot of 200+ Catholic leaders’ conversations that happened in the Synod hall last week. It is a starting point for conversations as the Synod fathers start small group discussions this week. It is a working text that identifies where bishops need to “deepen or clarify our understanding,” as Cardinal Luis Antonia Tagle put it in Monday’s press briefing. That means that the topic of gays and Catholic life came up in the Synod conversations so far and that it is a topic for continued reflection.
Second, here’s what the document is not:
The relatio is not a proscriptive text. It is not a decree. It is not doctrine, and certainly not a doctrinal shift. It is also not final. “These are not decisions that have been made nor simply points of view,” the document concludes. “The reflections put forward, the fruit of the Synodal dialogue that took place in great freedom and a spirit of reciprocal listening, are intended to raise questions and indicate perspectives that will have to be matured and made clearer by the reflection of the local Churches in the year that separates us from the Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of bishops planned for October 2015.”
And to directly answer Voris and all who agree with him:
"Looking for revolution can be misleading. It can mar the actual story of what is and what is not happening. Casual Vatican observers—especially those in the United States, where conversations about sexuality have a different trajectory than in the Vatican or in many developing countries—should be careful to not read into the conversation what they want to hear. The interest in a relatio, a relatively obscure document, does however point to another shift: people actually care about what a group of bishops is doing.
That itself, for many, may be a revolution."
"That itself, for many, may be a revolution."
ReplyDeleteSo true. I have never paid attention to any of the synods or doctrinal pronouncements, etc (I know that makes me a bad Catholic but hey, what else is new) especially JPII and his rather, rambling writing style and Pope Benedict with his really dense hyper intellectual writing (that is not an insult to him rather to me...) I never heard anyone in the "real world," talk about it as they are talking about it now. That is a very good thing and shows the world the Church is not some musty old place with a set of rules for and beloved only by old people, but an institution which is grabbling with the reality of how people live their lives today, not in the middle ages, and the many obstacles that they face in their faith, while still keeping, as the paper says, the moral teachings of the Church intact. That is very exciting.
I agree and welcome it like you, MM. But please...do not call yourself a bad Catholic. I disagree with that...you're in the same boat with the rest of us...trying, sorting it all out...a work in progress. ^^
DeleteMack, I recently described Pope Benedict's writing style to a favorite priests homilies; high-level and complex, but always something for the children. Person I said it to agreed that they're the same.
ReplyDeleteThe difficulty is that so many people will run with it (and have) and try to push the church to change or find a priest who assumes it means that doctrine now has changed.
What priest Nan? WHAT PRIEST?
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They call him Father.
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CIB - I don't mind if you disagree at all - I actually think we are on the same page... although I disagree about Michael Voris - I say it is his real hair and I'm not ashamed to say I like it.
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So anyway - I definitely know the relatio is inconsequential and that all of this will be sifted and sorted out at the end. In the meantime ... I will enjoy blogging.
All are welcome here. ;)
Be happy.
Thanks!! I would not go so far as to say the relatio is inconsequential. It is the talking points so far in the Synod and in that sense, I think it is very interesting. And there is actually a lot of good stuff in it, which of course Voris and all the secular media totally ignore.
DeleteOne other disagreement - even Justin Bieber doesn't wear his hair like that anymore!
http://www.virginmedia.com/music/features/youngest-popstars.php?page=2
What id Cardinal Schonborn say? I couldn't find the video.
ReplyDeleteI can't remember - but I'm pretty sure he thought it was going well. Haha!
DeleteGet out the long knives all you nonjudgmental, charitable folks. I like Mike Voris and think he is often right on the mark. It doesn't matter whether the Synod Ratio is official or not because it's all in the marketing to the masses and the marketing is "the Church is changing." Read the headlines in the liberal media. I was listening to the FM station out of D.C. earlier reporting that the "Church is changing." It is the fostering of dissent by marketing a false perception just like the dissent fostered by the Pontifical Birth Control Commission prior to the release of Humanae Vitae and the dissent fostered by Charlie Curran et al after its release. What percent of Catholics accept Church teaching on birth control vs. follow their own (badly formed) consciences. I suspect we will see the same with regard to other doctrines on marriage and sexuality following the Synod. They have an entire year to market the spin.
ReplyDeleteAs for Mike Voris' hair -- I wish I had that much on my head. LOL!
"Get out the long knives all you nonjudgmental, charitable folks"
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect the same can be said of some of the traditionalists sites I have visited to read their take on things...not pretty. I could list the sites here by why bother?
Much hand wringing and negative commentary was had with respect to calling Pope Francis Satan, claiming there is no point to the Synod at all "since he's made up his mind anyway."
Just last night I read many posted claiming to be "faithful Catholics" wishing "he would just go away.and let a real Pope reign."
I am no progressive nor am I a trad so neither side gets my support. I want to walk the narrow road, the royal road, that can help me get to heaven.
I, like St. Paul, hope every man will be saved but for that to happen, I must continue to pray and to hope and to not lose sight of what truly matters...faith in Christ Jesus.
I do agree with you on one thing...he does have great hair, Mr. Voris does.
Oh I agree completely that traditionalist sites can be negative. Hey, traditionalists can mean. (Can't we all?) I won't link to articles on one site that is so disrespectful of the pope they call him Mr. Bergoglio.
ReplyDeleteBut I rarely see traditionalists lecturing others not to judge while they're busy judging. I guess I'd call the traditionalists "honest judgers." they don't pretend not to be doing it. The funny thing is that as soon as someone criticizes another person for "judging," they are making a critical judgment. I think Chesterton, the master of paradox, would be amused.
And he had great hair too. http://img.readtiger.com/wkp/en/Gilbert_Chesterton.jpg
That he did and a great beard...reminds me of the great Mark Shea.
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ReplyDeleteI'm glad I watched the video. Whatever one's opinion on Mr. Voris, at least he speaks clearly and makes himself understood. And points out when others are not doing so. I'm glad he is there to bring us updates.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Kelly.
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