Tuesday, February 07, 2012

The Prop 8 Game Changer...

Another step forward for gaykind.

SAN FRANCISCO—A federal appeals court here ruled Tuesday that California's voter-mandated ban on gay marriages was unconstitutional, in a closely watched case that eventually could lead the U.S. Supreme Court to decide whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry.

In a 2-1 vote, a panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said California's 2008 law, popularly known as Proposition 8, had used the state's initiative power to target a minority group and take away a right the group possessed, without legitimate reason.

Doing so, wrote Judge Stephen Reinhardt in an 89-page majority opinion, violated the 14th Amendment's equal-protection clause.

"Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples," wrote Justice Reinhardt, who was appointed to the court by former President Jimmy Carter. - Source 

Why do I see it as a game changer?  Because what usually goes in California - so goes the nation.  The fight will go to the Supreme Court - while here in Minnesota, the battle intensifies... and no matter how it turns out, years of appeals appear to be inevitable. 

Anyway - I have some posts coming.


  1. Notice it rests on the assumption that "gay" = black, etc., an immutable category of person. "Gay marriage" was never a right to begin with - it's like someone demanding the right to be able to defy gravity, or say 2+2=5.

    And whose right is it taking away? Where can that right be proven to begin with? And why do atheists always insist on human rights when they deny any objective source of such rights?

    Human rights law is based on Natural Law, and necessarily so (there is not basis for it other than something like imago Dei), so how does one assert human rights in order to deny other aspects of natural law?

  2. RealityCheck6:53 PM

    According to the latest poll, 70% of people aged 18-34 FAVOR gay marriage.

    We will teach equality, and the demographics will do the work.

    Nationwide gay marriage is inevitable, the new civil rights movement.

  3. I've been watching my feeds this afternoon. You're the first to post on it!

    Which surprises me. Thomas Peters is a NOM employee.

  4. RC, opinion polls mean nothing. You have no facts.

    What is marriage and why does it have a special legal status? Why does it exist at all? Why did it exist as man/woman even in society where open homosexuality was common?

    Why two people? Why humans at all?

    Or is it simply a dissoluble legal contract between any partners at all for any duration they choose?

    And if that is how you see it, then why fight for marriage and not simply the right to share one's assets with any person or will to any person (which could conceivably be done between 2 friends)?

    And if gay marriage is inevitable, oh well. Doesn't make it right.

  5. It is my understanding that Judge Stephen Reinhardt is the most overturned judge on the Ninth Circuit and the Ninth Circuit is the most overturned circuit in the country.

    This isn't over yet. I don't know if California's role as trendsetter for the nation is still an accurate assessment.

    Perhaps......but I think now we serve more as the canary in the cultural coalmine.

    Exhibit A: Nancy Pelosi
    Exhibit B: Barbara Boxer
    Exhibit C: Diane Feinstein
    Exhibit D: Maxine Waters
    Exhibit E: Henry Waxman
    Exhibit F: Loretta Sanchez
    Exhibit G: Howard Berman
    Exhibit H: George Miller
    Exhibit I: ..........well......
    you get the picture.

  6. Jo Anne - Thanks for offering that hope.

  7. Homosexuality is Man abdicating his male responsibilities.

    This sin leads quickly to Death.

    Sympathetic accomplices of homosexuals will tire of providing children to these perverts and backlash on them.

    The end of homosexuality is Death.

    They cannot procreate.

    Homosexuality will hit its peak, then crash and burn.


  8. Pablo the Mexican: This sin leads quickly to death ... They cannot procreate.

    Pablo, you do not help your case by making rash statements that are obviously not true. Many, many homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians and transgendered people are perfectly able, do and have "procreated," as you put it. They have had children of their own in all kinds of circumstances, and are often supportive parents of those children, regardless of their own present marital or partnered status.

    "This sin," you mention, and let's assume that it is same-sex partnership, does not ipso facto, "quickly lead to death" for those so partnered. There is no evidence to support that claim, unless you are referring to HIV, which does not in any way go hand in hand, simultaniously as it were, with same-sex partnerships or marriage.

    You may not like the idea of gay marriage, and you may also present yourself as a religious person speaking with the support of your faith in the matter. However, the presentation of highly dubious information or inaccurate personal opinion will do little to further support for your claims within the church or outside of it.

  9. Robert, I think he was referring to "the wages of sin are death", the idea that sin leads to one's own downfall, and eventually to eternal loss.

    And it's obvious he meant that such a "marriage" cannot even be theoretically procreative in the slightest. There is no direct connection at all between the natural function of sex and man-on-man anal sex.

  10. ‘’…are perfectly able, do and have "procreated," as you put it…”

    Homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians and transgendered people (by this you mean sexual organ mutilated people) have not procreated one single human being in the entire history of this creation while engaging in homosexual, bisexual, lesbian and transgendered acts.

    If these people ever procreated children, it was by means of the manner in which God intended: 1 Man + 1 Woman. (I know there is invitro; still, 1 Man + 1 Woman).

    Committing homosexual, bisexual, lesbian and transgendered acts leads immediately to the Death of the soul.

    Forcing children into this perversion by raping them is the manner in which these deviates ‘procreate’.

    These practices need to be hunted down and killed, not celebrated with ‘Pride’.

    As Sarah Palin said of the deviate at Penn State “He needs to be taken out and strung up. I’ll bring the rope”

    We refuse to participate in your sin.


  11. "...According to the latest poll, 70% of people aged 18-34 FAVOR gay marriage..."

    This number should be higher, after all, the entire crowd chose Barabbas over Jesus Christ.

    Numbers of sinners is not what counts, as in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    One man with Faith is all it takes.


  12. According to the latest poll, 70% of people aged 18-34 FAVOR gay marriage.

    I'm with Pablo. Given that 100% of people are sinners, I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

    And probably the same number of people believe they're going to heaven because they're "good" people who favor "equality". God's not into equality, or sameness. He's into holiness.

  13. "...He's into holiness...."

    That's right.

    "Have you seen my servant, Job?"

    Satan gives his sinful children many rational sounding arguments, actions, and feelings.

    All of which simply leads those souls to Hell.

    A drunk makes perfect sense while explaining things.

    That is, until he sobers up and realizes Truth is a different matter altogether.

    Time for sexual deviates to wake up.


  14. Reality Check9:41 AM

    @Mercury please stop trying to bring bestiality in this. Animals can't consent. Neither can children.

    As to polygamy, it's too complicated from a legal perspective (property and custody rights in cases of divorce etc) and I don't see women ever consenting to it unless they're members of one of the fundie Mormon cults. It's just not the same thing as gay marriage.

    "Why marriage"? Because that's equality. Same-sex couples have a right to be treated equally as mixed-sex couples. Society needs to stop promoting the destructive and bigoted heteronormative view that there is something inherently superior in mixed-sex couples--this leads to low self esteem, depression, and suicide among LGBT persons as well as hatred and discrimination. Gay marriage will help normalize non-heternormative relationships and put a stop to things like that.

  15. For what its worth: If anyone is interested in the prophecies for our own times given to Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres by Our Lady under the title of Good Success (Church approved)http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2008/08/our-lady-of-good-success.html it will leave you with more reason to wonder about why things are as they are today. ""Masonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the objective of doing away with this Sacrament(Matrimony), making it easy for everyone to live in sin. "

  16. Okay, RC, what if animals could theoretically consent, would it be okay then?

    What is children could theoretically consent, would it be okay then?

    Is dendrophilia okay in your book?

    Is consent the only criterion that's important?

  17. RealityCheck2:39 PM

    @Mercury what if grapes were peas?

    And homosexuality is not a "philia", its a sexual orientation. Yes, consent is the most important thing, and yes, even more important than monogamy. If a married couple consents to an open marriage who are you to say they can't?

  18. I consented to an open relationship when I was in the lifestyle, and it broke my heart. So unnatural. Trying to live in accordance with what one is told is normal for a gay man led me to promiscuity and drug addiction. Embracing chastity and living in accordance with the Church's teachings brings me increasing freedom, peace, and joy.

    RC: I hope the same for you.

  19. As usual, I would love to let loose on what I really think. But with people like RealityCheck around, I question my ability to do so. I'd feel alot better if a person like that at least claimed to be Catholic but in dissent on this one subject, but I don't sense that's the case here.

    Suffice it to say I have seen with my own eyes too many times to count, including with myself, how homosexuality does indeed lead to depression and death. Ask my dead ex-husband and his dead lover. And neither of those deaths were due to AIDS.

  20. Char - thanks very much - I have to email you - I'm not ignoring you.

    Reality Check - Full consent of the will is one of the main requiremnents for committing mortal sin. Pity.

  21. "This number should be higher, after all, the entire crowd chose Barabbas over Jesus Christ.

    Numbers of sinners is not what counts, as in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    One man with Faith is all it takes."

    Well said.

    Homosexual "marriage", same-sex fornication and gender mutilating in defiance of God's creation are today's Sodom and Gomorrah and will meet the same sad end.

    Friends don't let friends drive drunk, smoke crack, or fall for the lie that homosexual marriage is something normal that needs to be legally sanctioned.

    I will not cooperate with anyone's desire to destroy their own soul.

  22. Full consent of the will is one of the main requiremnents for committing mortal sin. Pity.

    Bang. +1,000,000. I couldn't have said it any better.


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