Did you know some people believe the real Sr. Lucy of Fatima was replaced with an impostor? I know! It's a crazier conspiracy theory than the film Angels and Demons - and maybe just as anti-Catholic. Why? Because the story casts doubt upon the integrity of Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, as well as Cardinal Sodano, former Secretary of State to Pope John Paul II. Not to mention the Sacred Vatican Council II. Yes, it really does..
The researcher, who based her conclusions upon photos of the seer (shown above), argues: "If she (Sr. Lucia) expressed such serious concern about the importance that the Third Secret be revealed in 1960, why was she silent about it for the next 40 years? Contradicting what she had previously stated, how could she confirm the supposed secret that was unveiled by the Vatican in 2000, along with an “official interpretation” by Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone who then declared the Fatima episode closed, “a part of the past” ? These, and many other questions, could be explained by the fact that there was a different Sister Lucy being presented to the public after 1960. I have pointed out the differences not only between the faces of Sister Lucy I and Sister Lucy II, but also in their spirits and attitudes. - Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
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I'm not going into detail with this story, except to say it is as ridiculous as the Bayside claim that Paul VI was also replaced by an impostor. ROFLOL!
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H/T to my friend who sent me this story in jest.
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A note to my other friend Angela - The woman who wrote the article is a Ph.D. - see what little difference that kind of a pedigree makes? Doesn't guarantee a thing.
Ter, thanks - common sense can't be purchased or learned.
ReplyDeleteHappy Feast of Our Lady of Fatima!
ReplyDeleteI have a coworker who is a Gruner-ite. I should send him this story - just kidding!
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ReplyDeleteTerry - the more I thought about this, the funnier it seemed (it's not ha-ha funny, but more weird funny), so it only seemed right that I should link to it and make it ha-ha funny.
ReplyDeleteCommon sense tells me it's craziness, but her photos are not unconvincing. Thirty years ago I wondered about Paul VI after his ear shape changed, but Sr. Lucy apparently had a lot more cosmetic changes which need a lot more explanation than dental work. Her entire profile changed. Look at the chin.
ReplyDeleteI removed my comment earlier bc I was joking about this, but looking at the pictures, again, I think an explanation is needed for the radical changes in Lucy's facial structure post 1960.
ReplyDeleteMarian Horvat is one of the antagonists of Traditio (and an original architect of "We Resist You to the Face," if I remember correctly). If one surfs the site, and I don't recommend it, we think right away, "Huh..and here we thought Utah and/or Waco was Cult Central!"
ReplyDeleteEmbarrassing. Fr. Gruner's "apostolate" also highlights the problem of what happens when one disobediently does not wait, does not listen, and acts on one's own perception of authority. It cuts the Lord, a genuinely painful slash. Thankfully, He as Head decrees that the capillaries re-route and the Blood flows and the Body lives on.
Looks like maybe 30 years could have passed between the first and the second pictures. She has put on some weight, and her face is tilted up more in the second one, making the chin look more prominent. The wimple and coif have changed in style, not fitting as tight in the second picture. Also, there's the glasses. Yeah, they're reaching for it.
ReplyDeleteIt would be like comparing my senior yearbook picture to one now.
Carol - thanks - I only knew of Horvat because of her book on Our Lady of Good Success, of which I have some reservations regarding the message. I did not know she was also a key player in the "we resist you to your face" dissent.
ReplyDeleteTo everyone else, while it is true that earlobes and noses do not continue to grow as we age, they often do change shape. Earlobles can lengthen, shrink, or reconfigure. Noses do the same thing. The cartiledge may shrink causing the flesh to droop or spread out, affecting one's appearance. Dentures can change the jaw line, mouth and bite. In Lucia's case it is possible she had surgery to correct her bite - Carmelites usually do not discuss their medical needs andd procedures, so we may never know. Dental surgery and dentures could certainly affect a person's profile. Lips lose elasticity and fullness as one ages - facial muscles shrink and sag with age - why else would Joan Rivers have gone through what she did? Eyebrows often thin on women, while on men they get bushy - the space between spreads as facial tone diminishes.
I can guarantee you that a monastery of Discalced Carmelite nuns would never, ever tolerate such a deception - that should be reason enough for you to disbelieve this nonsense.
I like your admonitions, Terry. They make sense.
ReplyDeleteI won't think about this, until next year.....:>
Also, in the first photo, Sister Lucia is a Dorothean (Religious of Saint Dorothy), whereas the second photo was taken long after her transfer to Carmel.
ReplyDeleteOff topic: Stopping by to say hi, mon ami:)
ReplyDeleteThis might sound rude but here goes - I know a LOT of Portuguese women as they make up nearly half our parish and trust me - they do not age well for the most part. If Sr. Lucia looks quite different as she aged - well, that's in her genes.
ReplyDeleteI know my theory is not scientific but hey - I see what I see.
You are right Angela - I have seen the same phenomenon with other Mediterranean types as well. Aristotle Onasis comes to mind.
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ReplyDeleteThe comments have reminded me of this post:
http://stupidfathobbit.org/blog1/2009/04/it-happens-to-the-best-looking-of-us/
I was too young to remember Alec Baldwin as a hottie and was really shocked by the "Before" picture. If he can change that drastically without people speculating that he was switched, then it's perfectly plausible in Sr. Lucia's case, aye?
(Then again, I'm not a big reader of the tabloids. Perhaps there was an investigative series on aliens taking over Baldwin's body? Dunno . . .)
Looks like she has wimples in her dimples.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why I said that - probably because it sounds funny.
Sister Luccy is an imposter and the Martians are coming - the Martians are coming!
ReplyDeleteYes my dear Enbrethiliel, and that is exactly why I do not post any contemporary photos of myself in my profile. LOL!
ReplyDeleteGenerally one can't grow a prominent chin without some serious cosmetic surgery -- perhaps she had an implant for some reason that we aren't aware of.
ReplyDeleteNone of this conspiracy discussion would be taking place if there weren't some significant discrepencies in the story of the "third secret". I can understand why these people would feel a need to try to make sense of Fatima.
a) I went to my 15th high school reunion. Trust me, looks change. If only I'd known some were imposters, I'd have tugged at numerous faces. (We all had to sleep with the lights on that night.)
ReplyDeleteb) I erred. I don't know if Horvat has anything to do with Traditio -- there are NO "Who we are" names to be found there -- but Horvat is the founder of Tradition in Action and was indeed one of the four framers of "We Resist You to the Face." (Which they sent.)
I'm beginning to think the Third Secret wasn't revealed in full --or did it mention that in the near future, once-unflinching Catholics would look even more askance at the Pope than they do at themselves? I might've just missed that part.
This IS NOT the same woman. Anyone who thinks it is has some serious problems with the TRUTH!
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