Wondering out loud.
I watched EWTN World Over Live with Raymond Arroyo last night. Arroyo was agitated and acted like he was responding to personal attacks from the Holy Father. The 'Posse' were discussing the presser on board the flight from Mozambique, especially this part:
Not judging.
I don't know the mind of the Pope, but even if he was speaking directly to me, I think I would examine myself and move on - following Christ. But I'm not a priest, and I maybe don't get it. To be sure, it's not my place to criticize those who feel slighted. I would hope they could somehow take their concerns directly to the Pope - I think the Holy Father would embrace them with great love - humbled by their humility.
That said, at my parish we have a young, dynamic priest. He loves being a priest. He's solid, 'orthodox', faithful, and devout. Not a speck of rigidity. If the Holy Father met him, he would surely say something akin to what Christ said about Nathaniel, 'here is a true Israelite, in him there is no guile.' At least one divorced and remarried couple came back to the sacraments, inspired by Pope Francis, and guided by our pastor. The woman spoke about it this past Lent. I mention it because this priest has also felt a bit bewildered by things the Pope says, yet he continues to minister and reach out to those on the peripheries. He's a priest who smells like his sheep. If the Pope met him, he would fall all over him.
If the Pope met Monsignor Pope or Fr. Murray he would most likely do the same thing.
So what is a rigid priest?
When the Pope warns against them, he frequently identifies them as young, newly ordained. In the past couple of decades, the guys in my diocese are well trained and orthodox, and I don't know any who are 'rigid' - not even the more traditional Bishop Cozzens can be considered rigid.
Over the years, being a big fat sinner, because I went to confession frequently, I have met priests who are rigid. A few of these are no longer priests - one or two had something to hide, I think. In my experience a rigid priest is often best discovered in the confessional, or in the office - often when Catholics who don't go to Mass show up seeking baptism for their newborn, or want to get married.
A friend of mine, shortly after ordination discussed with me, people who came to the rectory seeking a marriage blessing, an infant baptism, even though they weren't practicing Catholics. I recall being shocked that he refused baptism to one family because they didn't go to Mass. Opinionated as I was, I told him he should have them call me because I knew priests who would do it. It was one of our first fights. He let me know in no uncertain terms just exactly what he was taught in seminary and what was the discipline of the Church. (He mellowed as he aged BTW.)
Another priest friend of mine refused to allow a couple have their marriage blessed because, as a civilly married couple they already lived together and would have to live separately before the sacrament of matrimony. I asked why, and he looked at me like I was nuts and told me, 'It's a scandal. They need to live chastely, I don't trust they can do that." I told him about couples I knew who lived as brother and sister because one had been divorced, as well as friends who lived with each other without sexual relations, and so on. Nope. Too scandalous.
As for my own experience, as a kid I was yelled at in confession, and the entire church heard the priest when he shouted: "You're going straight to hell if you do that again!" Another time, as an adult a newly ordained priest questioned me, "Why would you even do that?!" Then he told me to go to the office and get a pamphlet on how to make a good confession, because I said more than I needed to - in other words, he wanted just the sins, number and kind. Around the same time I ran into a priest in the adoration chapel, and as he was leaving I asked him to please hear my confession as I was in mortal sin, he dismissed me telling me when confessions were scheduled at the parish. As a penitent I received these rebukes with in peace, taking them to heart with a deeper sense of contrition. I only mention these situations to shed some light on what I think the Pope may be talking about regarding rigidity.
I may be wrong. It's not my place to criticize a priest for how he feels after something the Pope has cautioned against. So I have to let this stuff go, simply because it none of my business. As Today's Gospel says:
I watched EWTN World Over Live with Raymond Arroyo last night. Arroyo was agitated and acted like he was responding to personal attacks from the Holy Father. The 'Posse' were discussing the presser on board the flight from Mozambique, especially this part:
Furthermore, I would like to emphasize an attitude that I do not like, because it does not come from God: rigidity. Today it is fashionable, I do not know about here, but in other parts of the world it is fashionable, to find rigid people. Young, rigid priests, who want to save with rigidity, perhaps, I don’t know, but they take this attitude of rigidity and sometimes – excuse me – from the museum. They are afraid of everything, they are rigid. Be careful, and know that under any rigidity there are serious problems. - VaticanI am sad when popular priests such as Monsignor Pope, Fr. Murray (papal posse guy), Fr. Z, Fr. Blake, and numerous others all seem to take what the Pope says as if he is insulting them. I'm not a priest so I can't speak for them. I just don't believe the Pope is bullying or mean-spirited when he says such things. It seems to me if I felt insulted, maybe there is something I need to loosen up over. I do not believe the Pope is asking the priests to dispense with any rules or discipline, much less giving them the go ahead to stop teaching and ministering according to Catholic teaching. Neither do I get the impression he is trying to outlaw the Extraordinary Form of Mass. Yet many priests and laity are convinced he is, and it seems their minds are made up that every precaution from the Pope is directed against them.
Not judging.
I don't know the mind of the Pope, but even if he was speaking directly to me, I think I would examine myself and move on - following Christ. But I'm not a priest, and I maybe don't get it. To be sure, it's not my place to criticize those who feel slighted. I would hope they could somehow take their concerns directly to the Pope - I think the Holy Father would embrace them with great love - humbled by their humility.
That said, at my parish we have a young, dynamic priest. He loves being a priest. He's solid, 'orthodox', faithful, and devout. Not a speck of rigidity. If the Holy Father met him, he would surely say something akin to what Christ said about Nathaniel, 'here is a true Israelite, in him there is no guile.' At least one divorced and remarried couple came back to the sacraments, inspired by Pope Francis, and guided by our pastor. The woman spoke about it this past Lent. I mention it because this priest has also felt a bit bewildered by things the Pope says, yet he continues to minister and reach out to those on the peripheries. He's a priest who smells like his sheep. If the Pope met him, he would fall all over him.
If the Pope met Monsignor Pope or Fr. Murray he would most likely do the same thing.
The Pope with the relics of St. Pio and St. Leopold.
These saints are examples the Holy Father holds up.
He certainly doesn't condemn Pio as rigid.
So what is a rigid priest?
When the Pope warns against them, he frequently identifies them as young, newly ordained. In the past couple of decades, the guys in my diocese are well trained and orthodox, and I don't know any who are 'rigid' - not even the more traditional Bishop Cozzens can be considered rigid.
Over the years, being a big fat sinner, because I went to confession frequently, I have met priests who are rigid. A few of these are no longer priests - one or two had something to hide, I think. In my experience a rigid priest is often best discovered in the confessional, or in the office - often when Catholics who don't go to Mass show up seeking baptism for their newborn, or want to get married.
A friend of mine, shortly after ordination discussed with me, people who came to the rectory seeking a marriage blessing, an infant baptism, even though they weren't practicing Catholics. I recall being shocked that he refused baptism to one family because they didn't go to Mass. Opinionated as I was, I told him he should have them call me because I knew priests who would do it. It was one of our first fights. He let me know in no uncertain terms just exactly what he was taught in seminary and what was the discipline of the Church. (He mellowed as he aged BTW.)
Another priest friend of mine refused to allow a couple have their marriage blessed because, as a civilly married couple they already lived together and would have to live separately before the sacrament of matrimony. I asked why, and he looked at me like I was nuts and told me, 'It's a scandal. They need to live chastely, I don't trust they can do that." I told him about couples I knew who lived as brother and sister because one had been divorced, as well as friends who lived with each other without sexual relations, and so on. Nope. Too scandalous.
As for my own experience, as a kid I was yelled at in confession, and the entire church heard the priest when he shouted: "You're going straight to hell if you do that again!" Another time, as an adult a newly ordained priest questioned me, "Why would you even do that?!" Then he told me to go to the office and get a pamphlet on how to make a good confession, because I said more than I needed to - in other words, he wanted just the sins, number and kind. Around the same time I ran into a priest in the adoration chapel, and as he was leaving I asked him to please hear my confession as I was in mortal sin, he dismissed me telling me when confessions were scheduled at the parish. As a penitent I received these rebukes with in peace, taking them to heart with a deeper sense of contrition. I only mention these situations to shed some light on what I think the Pope may be talking about regarding rigidity.
I may be wrong. It's not my place to criticize a priest for how he feels after something the Pope has cautioned against. So I have to let this stuff go, simply because it none of my business. As Today's Gospel says:
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye,
but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?
How can you say to your brother,
'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,'
when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? - Luke 6
The holier, more prayerful the priest, the less rigid will he be.
I stopped ready "Carlo" long ago. I don't bother with Mr. Arroyo and company either since they began their critique of Papa Francis.
ReplyDeleteI want to be built up in my faith not have it torn down by folks who are uninspiring, imo.
If something our Holy Father has said has struck a nerve, keep silent, reflect, pray and if it relates to you in some way, work on it.
Stop with the vanity of melodrama by posting your sensitivities all over the Internet or being vocal about it on TV.
I just don't care to be honest Terry. With all the strife and stress of living and dealing with certain family members, I barely have time to pray.
You are so much more generous than I could ever hope to be.
I will do my best to pray for all concerned.
God bless Terry!
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ReplyDeleteNot one word about rigidity here ... quite the contrary:
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The Holy Father is our father, yes? Why should he not ask that we have hearts of flesh and not of stone? If we are to imitate Christ, especially his priests, let he who listens take to heart what Papa is saying wherever he is in the world and in the Church. If those in the States are struck by his words and have taken offense, there must be a good reason for it.
Just sayin ...
We all have negative encounters with rigid priests, family members and friends. I know from experience that my own rigidity is always a psychological defense mechanism to protect something that hurts to face and acknowledge. I am surprised at myself for being so deeply hurt by the latest developments in my own backyard. My Diocese declared Banckruptcy yesterday. I expected it was coming, know it needs to happen and could care less about the material loss to the Church. Still, unexpectedly it hurt. I saw our Bishop face a judge and give a news conference. He seldom appears in the media. He looked to be a broken man, nearly crying. He did not bemone the loss of money. He worried about the loss of faith. I will get over this, but it is like grief, like a death in the family. I was never a victim of these terrible men or woman. I know only good men and woman who work hard to live their faith. Yet, we are on some level all victims. I agree with Yaya that we must get over ourselves. I think that is the message of Pope Francis. It is a form of vanity that is also a sin. As a mature adult I have come to see sin as selfish and unhealthy, not to mention an offense to God. May we be strong enough to acknowledge our weakness and see with grace the great things God gives us every day.
ReplyDeleteIn some way Pope Francis reminds me of the professor Jordan Peterson. Because Jordan Peterson has spoken out against the angry, vengeful identity politics of the left which is highly prevalent in academia, he is denounced as far-right. Meanwhile, the Pope is vilified as a leftist by the hard-edged sectarians of the conservative wing of the church, who enjoy a comparable prominence in religious media and Internet channels (at least on this continent). While not by any means equating the significance or office of these two figures, they are both subject to constant misquoting and denunciation that bears only a tangential relationship to what they are actually saying. Which is in essence, "clean up your room".
ReplyDeleteI miss the Year of Mercy (2015-2016), and part of me wonders at the rage, the fanatical ideological possession that has taken its place over the last three years. Have we collectively missed our chance in some way? The way some speak of "Francis the Merciful" with scorn and sarcasm scares me. Whenever I think apocalyptically, it is more along the lines of "many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another... and the love of many will grow cold". I think less about enemies and conspiracies but rather of a wholesale descent into hatred and misery that is defeated only by the Parousia.
Anyway, try these out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SAMacWbnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naSRXGRBwFk
"Rigidity" is a concept taken from Freudian psychology. It has nothing to do with Catholicism.
ReplyDeleteWhat is ironic is that Msgr Charles Pope despite his leanings toward tradition is anything but "rigid". He has long led a primarily african american parish that sings "gospel" (maybe some chant is thrown in periodically). That is not my idea of a "rigid" traditionalist nor would I think it was the Pope's. So I think he was really speaking for his traditional friends who he views as faithful servants of the Church and, yes, even the Gospel.
ReplyDeleteMy advice to them is, "Stop wearing the shoes you claim don't fit you."
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