"Are we prepared to promote conditions in which the living contact with God can be reestablished? For our lives today have become godless to the point of complete vacuity. God is no longer with us in the conscious sense of the word. He is denied, ignored, excluded from every claim to have a part in our daily life." - Alfred Delp, S.J.

Thursday, July 04, 2013

How to treat persons with homosexual inclination with dignity: Tell them the truth.

From an interview with Papal Theologian Rev. Wojciech Giertych.
Asked about the problem of homosexuality, gay ‘marriage’ and their incursion on relgious freedom, Fr. Giertych noted “this is not an issue which is reacting against the Church’s teaching – this is a fundamental anthropological change.” It is, he said, “a distortion of humanity which is being proposed as an ideology, which is being supported, financed, promoted by those who are powerful in the world in many, many, countries simultaneously.” 
“The Church,” he added, “is the only institution in the world which has the courage to stand up to this ideology.”
“The Church, standing up to this ideology which we are seeing now in the Western world, the Church is saying something very normal and humane, which corresponds to the understanding of humanity, which humanity has had for millennia, long before Christ, long before the appearance of Christianity,” he said. “So it’s not a question of the Church fighting the ideology, it’s a question of the distortion of humanity, and the Church standing up in defence of human dignity.”
Speaking of practicing homosexuals Fr. Giertych said, “of course they have to be treated with dignity, everybody has to be treated with dignity, even sinners have to be treated with dignity, but the best way of treating people with dignity is to tell them the truth.” 
“And if we escape from the truth we’re not treating them with dignity,” he added. 
The Pope’s theologian also explained the distinction between the words “homosexual” and “gay” and the danger to someone who identifies themselves as being “gay”. 
 "…in the American language you have a distinction between the word ‘homosexual’ and ‘gay’. A homosexual is a person who has, to some extent, this homosexual condition. Somebody may have this difficulty, and his friends, his neighbors will not know about this. He’s dealing with this in cooperation with the grace of God and may come out of this difficulty and come back to normal human relationships. Sometimes adolescents, at the moment when their sexual sensibility is appearing, if they have been distorted by others they go through a phase of difficulty in this field. But as they mature they will grow out of it. Whereas a ‘gay’ is somebody who says, ‘I am like this, I will be like this, I want to be treated like this, and I want special privileges because I am like this.’ Now if somebody is not only homosexual, but a gay, declaring, ‘This is how I am, and I want this to be respected legally, socially and so on’ – such a person will never come out of the difficulty." 
He also spoke of the danger of identifying with the homosexual condition as if it was the “supreme expression of the identity of the individual” which would deprive the individual of healing and happiness. 
The papal theologian concluded noting the Christ is both the model for a healthy humanity and the source of healing for distortions of humanity. “Christ shows us a humanity which is supremely transformed from within by the divinity, “ he said. “Now, we have access to the grace of God through our faith, through the sacraments, and, by living out the grace of God, that grace of God heals whatever distortions we may have, whatever difficulties we may have, on the condition that we initiate, we commence the pilgrimage, we start the journey of living out our lives with the grace of God.” - LifeSiteNews




  1. I know from experience that the condition and erotic attraction / tendency towards other men can be lessened, the more I meditate on the true meaning of the human person, as well as the etiology of my particular circumstances. Still, it's there. These words are hopeful for me; I don't know what God's plans are for me vis-à-vis SSA vs. OSA ... all I want is to be pleasing in His sight and pure of heart. When not plagued by temptation (which we all are and is inevitable), I have a deep and abiding peace when meditating on the things of God vs. the things that bring pleasure. Even legitimate pleasure -- this is not joy. I want peace. I want joy. I have this when pursuing the Truth.

    1. "...all I want is to be pleasing in His sight and pure of heart." That is it, Doughboy. That is perfection in a sentence right there. I keep asking God what is it that He wants from me; what does He want me to do? And I keep waiting for answers that quite frankly I am afraid of because I am so exhausted and demoralized at the moment that I am afraid He is going to tell me to get myself to Burkina Faso and start up a school or something like that. However, your perfect little sentiment has stopped me in my tracks. What if I stop asking God what He wants me "to do" like he's the Chair of my department? What happens if I start living this life I have been gifted starting at what I so fervently want to be for Him: pleasing in His sight and pure of heart. Oh, how every day would be so very different. How this would all change. How much peace could be experienced within my own mind, heart, and soul.

    2. DB - I think you are becoming very holy. Your comments are graces upon this blog. Thank you.

    3. I agree with you dough boy wholeheartedly.

  2. Does this include the Archbishop of Santo Domingo calling the US nominee for ambassador to the Dominican Republic a "faggot?" :)

    Liesite didn't mention it, but I did.

    1. Hmmmmm...the Miami Herald did not mention anything like that.


      Did not see that in the Charlotte Observer either.


      The Washington Post did not say anything like that.


      Looks like the only "news" sources that mention something like that are homosexualist sites. In other words, I'm not buying it. But even if it were true, which it does not appear to be, what would that be cause for, other than reprimanding his excellency for using a pejorative and asking for an apology? The article Terry posted is still spot-on. This persecution complex among persons with SSA has to stop. There are those among us with much worse problems than same-sex attraction and who also lack the parades and constant pats on the back from the secular world. That would include me. Take up your cross and follow Him, Thom. Or don't. Your choice.

    2. So it's cool to talk about it, but only if one agrees with you? Got it. Thanks, bud.

    3. I'm still not sure what your point was, and this reply has not helped.

    4. The original post addressed the issue of dignity. I responded.

      You commented that you're tired of "ssa people" feeling persecuted. I pointed out that you're fine with the topic as long as the discussion fits your paradigm.

  3. Again, what was the point? The story may not even be true, but if it were, then it is a clear indicator of not treating someone in a dignified manner. What is your point? Does that not happen? Terry's post addressed what should happen. Are you saying there are hypocrites in the Church? Well, there is always room for another, Thom. Join the band. Your likely fraudulent example does not change the truth of the Church. It just points out that we are falling short. Big surprise. It doesn't suggest that we should change Church teaching on homosexuality.

    As for the persecution complex of those who have the federal and state governments marching in their pride parades, yes, I am tired of it. Get over yourselves. I have way worse problems than simply being attracted to a person of the same sex. Seriously, your cross isn't any heavier and you have lots of help carrying it.

    I don't. And I am not alone. Go parade all you want and feel sorry for yourself. I'll cling to the Church.

  4. I don't feel at all sorry myself. I was simply commenting to Terry. He seems to like conversation about these things. If you don't, please just ignore my comments.

  5. I'm not feeling sorry for myself, but these discussions make me sad... like sorrowful... sorry-full.


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