I told a non-Catholic friend that Susan Boyle was singing for the Pope - and being the accomplished pianist he is - the Holy Father was scheduled to accompany her in his first 'gig' in the UK. My friend thought that was cool. See how non-Catholic, non-religious people are? And yet we say the things we do online.
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Shame on you Anonymous!
Absolutely.
ReplyDeleteI get more "crap" from Catholics for wearing the habit, offering the Traditional Mass, etc., etc., than I do from non-Catholics...
in the South, when I've been on pilgrimage, they are so respectful and kind...
I'd like to pitch most of the "Vatican II" Catholics into the bottomless pit...but, I'm not the judge here...probably a good thing;-)!
Sorry: I should have said "dissent 'spirit of Vatican II 'Catholics'"...I'm all for VII, don't get me wrong!!
ReplyDeleteMaybe they'll do some opera selections. Classical stuff, like Andrew Lloyd Webber.
ReplyDelete...what??
Terry: Happy Feast and congratulations for your profession day!
ReplyDeleteI was there two years ago; unfortunately, it was a "swift" tour through both the Basilica of St. Clare and the Basilica of St. Francis; but I was very moved by the grace of the founders...something I have struggled with A LOT these years; how could God call me, a sinner and a complete idiot to found something for Him?...and both St. Clare and Sr. Francis just said to me "Do it"...
I'm still struggling mightily (I am such an idiot and a moron)...
but God is working bit by bit...
thank you for this holy reminder;
I wish I could return to Assisi and just pray and stay there.
Dear Padre Nazareth Priest,
ReplyDeleteI would never say I am okay with Vatican Council II.
Hundreds of millions of souls were lost as a result of that council.
I think only the Arian heresy comes close to destructiveness in comparison.
Saint Albert the Great was a moron...
When he escaped from the Seminary, several times the Holy Mother had the Angels take him back.
Finally she told Albert he would cease being a moron until three years before his death; then he could return to being aa moron.
Three years before his death, he went back to stupid.
Don't argue with your Mother.
Get busy.
With the assurance of my Holy Rosary prayers for all your good work in the vineyard of the Divine Master, I remain yours truly in Jesus and Mary Immaculate.
Santa María de Guadalupe Esperanza nuestra, salva nuestra patria y conserva nuestra Fe.
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Pablo said
ReplyDelete'Hundreds of millions of souls were lost as a result of that council.'
Does the Holy Roman Catholic Church teach this as a truth? If not, how do you know, and why would you say such a thing? As far as I was aware, phillistine that I am, the Church has NEVER claimed to have knowledge of a particular soul in hell, let alone hundreds of millions.
If you claim a love of Holy Mother Church, and what she stands for ( the love and desired salvation of all souls) and if you have ever glimpsrd hell, you would pray the Divine Mercy prayer constantly, rather than entertain the thought of any poor soul there. Each soul is a child a mother has gone through considerable pain, to give birth to, and the Saviour went through absolute agony to redeem.
As Catholics, I notice, we have a hierarchy of seeming holiness, and judge each other, appallingly. I hope God doesn't treat us, as we have treated each other, on Judgment Day.
The non-Catholic will see Christ in the love we have for one another. Not our exclusive knowledge of rubrics and perfect execution of the latter, but in the love we show to each other, as believers.
'By this shall all know that ye are disciples of mine, if ye have love amongst yourselves.'
Jesus Christ. John 13:35.
Pablo's comment makes me want to vomit. No more souls were lost as a "result" of VII than they were from Trent. VII is a valid and binding Ecumenical Council, and I know of several converts who came to the Church exactly because VII made some things so clear.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone ever notice that most people who routinely decry the council in se (We MUST decry the abuses done in its name) - but most of those who trash it in itself - most of these people weren't even alive then, or were small children.
I just get so sick of people who are so *sure* of their own salvation, and that all those other rubes are on the road to perdition. As if they were granted to special grace of the Remnant newspaper, or some other rag, that sets them apart and give them special knowledge (gnosis) that sets them apart form the massa damnata. Remins me of something I once read in the Gospel about a Pharisee and a publican ...
ReplyDeleteThe Internet has the tendency to tempt us to become instant authorities, especially about our own personal bias and our pet assumptions. That tendency, which many have noted, is one very good reason to view the web as 'hot' medium.
ReplyDeletePablo's comment, "hundreds of millions of lost souls were lost because of that council" is a case in point. There are probably many who would agree with Pablo about the effects of the Vatican II council and be angry about it but that does not make it so. The more widely held opinion grounded in factual evidence is that the council caused a greater or lesser degree of upheaval, dislocation and an unintended consequences. But it is probably safe to say that all ecumenical councils have done that to an extent by virtue of their sweeping mandates.
What is grossly unfair and foolish is to attribute Vatican Council II everything we dislike about the church or that has happened to the church in the last 50 plus years, including I might add, people who are "lost souls." People are lost to the church and souls loose their way in relation to personal belief and religion though a wide variety of circumstances. All these circumstances involve sin and weakness entering into the situations of people who are frequently unable to cope as individuals in the maintenance of their faith and moral lives and and not even remotely because of some Catholic church system changed or tinkered with at a big meeting of bishops 50 years ago. I might also add that includes putting up with many years of bad guitar music at Mass.
To say that Vatican II somehow triggered a process whereby God's grace for us was no longer available or operative is seems to me to be the rankest heresy. That view confines the very work and power of God to the prejudicial views of the authorities in these hot web comment boxes.
Our Lady prophesied that at the end of the 19th Century and especially in the 20th Century that Satan would reign almost completely by the means of the Masonic sect. The Blessed Virgin under the glorious title of Our Lady of Good Success told Mother Mariana that this battle would reach its most acute stage because of various unfaithful religious, who, "under the appearance of virtue and bad-spirited zeal, would turn upon Religion, who nourished them at her breast." "During this time," she continued, "insomuch as this poor country will lack the Christian spirit, the Sacrament of Extreme Unction will be little esteemed. Many people will die without receiving it - either because of the negligence of their families or their false sentimentality that tries to protect the sick from seeing the gravity of their situations, or because they will rebel against the spirit of the Catholic Church, impelled by the malice of the devil. Thus many souls will be deprived of innumerable graces, consolations and the strength they need to make that great leap from time to eternity..."
ReplyDelete"As for the Sacrament of Matrimony, which symbolizes the union of Christ with His Church, it will be attacked and profaned in the fullest sense of the word. Masonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the objective of doing away with this Sacrament, making it easy for everyone to live in sin, encouraging the procreation of illegitimate children born without the blessing of the Church.
The Christian spirit will rapidly decay, extinguishing the precious light of Faith until it reaches the point that there will be an almost total and general corruption of customs. The effects of secular education will increase, which will be one reason for the lack of priestly and religious vocations..."
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Dear Miss Mercury,
Salutations.
I am pleased my comments roused your passions.
There is nothing more dead than Faith when it becomes docile.
Miss Shadowlands,
It is urgent that we realize at all times we can and will go to Hell if we do not put it in high gear.
It is not enough for us men to sit around pretending to be virtuous, doing nothing ‘wrong’ and avoiding all occasions to sin. As the Desert Fathers and the Hermits teach us, we must go to the place of sin and fight.
I have lived through the 1950’s, hearing in our sermons Fatima, and La Salette, among other warnings from Heaven.
I saw the Novus Ordo come in and decimate our families, Monasteries, Convents, and Seminaries.
The Novus Ordos are scrambling to pretend they are traditional; they will not be able to pervert the True Mass, the Sacraments, and catechism as they once attempted to do.
The Holy Mother has spoken at Fatima, La Salette, and Quito.
The above opening statement is from our Mother’s Quito, Ecuador apparition.
Is she speaking of souls going to Heaven?
Most women that become angry over traditionalist remarks are Eucharistic Ministers, Lectors, or wives of ‘Deacons.”
Where do you stand (aside from vomiting)?
“...People are lost to the church and souls loose their way in relation to personal belief…”
When a man has the opportunity to enter the Seminary and rejects it, his punishment will be much more severe than anyone else’s due to the loss of souls from lack of a Priest.
In America, in what used to be called the little Vatican area, about one hundred Seminaries, monasteries, and Convents were closed after Vatican II.
The Seminaries averaged about four hundred Seminarians at each Seminary.
Are you saying people’s personal choice leads to their damnation, or do you think just maybe these Vatican II closing might have had an influence?
When you have no Monasteries, Priests, and Convents, what do you think your Faith will be?
May God our Lord in His infinite and supreme goodness be pleased to give us His abundant grace, that we may know His most holy will, and entirely fulfill it.
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Pablo, I am a man, and if I were a woman, how would your presumptuous "miss" tone be appropriate, since I could be married?
ReplyDeleteI really do not care what Our Lady allegedly said to ONE person during those apparitions if that apparition contradicts Church teaching and Sacred Scripture. I read in a book somewhere, I think it was called The Gospel of Matthew of something, that the gates of hell would not prevail against Christ's Church. I also believe there are some guys from the past, called Fathers and Doctors of the Church who would say that defying and denigrating an ecumenical council of the Church is a serious sin.
And I would bet that much of your distortions and slanderous comments come from reading traditionalist websites or materials from schismatic groups. How do you think the Lord looks upon the reading of materials that denounce his Vicar and His Church?
You cite Fatima, but you're probably referring to hidden messages in the so-called "real" third secret, and as far as la Salette, the passages you are referring to were never said, and were documented as false in the 19th century. you also forget that private revelations are not and CAN NEVER BE essential for the salvation of one's soul.
"It is not enough for us men to sit around pretending to be virtuous, doing nothing ‘wrong’ and avoiding all occasions to sin."
ReplyDeleteUm, isn't this, along with reception of the sacraments and actively practicing the virtue of charity the standard way most lay people will get to Heaven, according to Trent and several Church Doctors? Can't going to the place of sin and fighting it be very dangerous to those of us not blessed with heroic virtue?
And have you not noticed that our secular culture is deeply anti-religious, and that it's become increasingly easier to live a comfortable life without religion in the West? Do you think this MIGHT have something to do with the rejection of Faith among several people?
No, you wouldn't think like that, because people who read utter disgusting filth and tripe like the Remnant and traditioninaction pridefully cling to their interpretations of "messages from heaven" and bitterly cling to the belief that they are the saved remnant, and all those poor rubes are going to hell. You actively defy the Holy Father and denigrate the faith of millions of faithful Catholics who do not follow your narrow definitions of tradition.
Quit blaming the excesses of the past 50 years ob V2. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is an ancient and stupid logical fallacy. It would be forgivable if it did not result in know-it-all traditionalists telling everyone they were going to Hell for trusting in Christ's Church and his Vicar on earth.
And no one denies that much damage has been done, and much Faith has been lost, and much of it has been done from inside. But it is rank heresy to claim that the actual Magisterium of the Church has been hijacked by Satan.
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Mercury,
ReplyDeleteMy brother was told by me I would not argue with him while he was intoxicated; in a drunken stupor.
He would have to speak with me when he was sane, and able to speak properly.
While you are in a drunken hatred of Tradition, I would encourage our comments to go on hold until after you have resolved some deep seated animosities you have developed in that regard.
You are not alone in your dislike of Holy Rollers, people who use their personal Virtue to measure all others. Even Christ and His Apostles come up short in their estimation.
These are people who actually think they own the Chapels ‘they’ built.
These types of traditional Pharisees are not strictly members of the SSPX, some belong to independent chapels.
If anybody has an ax to grind legitimately, it is the owner of this blog.
I read it because the young man has Charity; he speaks well on all subjects he brings forth and does not add venom to his remarks.
We should both learn from his example.
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Pablo, if I was uncharitable in that regard I'm sorry. Yes, Terry would hate us saying so, but he is a good example.
ReplyDeleteBut please, do not assume that I have a "deep seated animosity" towards Sacred Tradition. I just get really upset when I see people attack a valid ecumenical council and the last few popes, and use private revelations as their "proof."
Maybe you need to remember that NOT a single private revelation, not even Fatima, is a part of Tradition. Tradition cannot be added to, nor changed. All we need to know we know from the Church and from Scripture.
So please, I ask you, out of charity, retract your comment that I hate Tradition. That is wrong, and it insults both me and Tradition. And asserting that a valid ecumenical council has lead millions of souls to Hell, I would think, is gravely wrong. Vatican II IS a part of Tradition, as much as Florence, Trent, Vatican I, etc.
Private revelations are pious traditions, but before a Catholic even THINKS about private revelations, he must assent to the Magisterium of the Church including the teachings of all ecumenical councils. Or, to put it another way, accepting councils is a matter of salvation, accepting private revelations is a matter of personal devotion.
by the way, I love Fatima and follow Our Lady's directives to pray the Rosary every day for the repentance and salvation of souls. I do not have a knee-jerk reaction against such things, just the fear-mongering conspiracy theory, ant-Vatican trash it breeds.
I can't tell if I'm in trouble again or what. I was actually just kidding with this post.
ReplyDeleteTerry, how many times have you posted a light-hearted post only to have the combox degenerate into a free-for-all, and the obligatory 'you lack charity but i shall ignore your evilness' comments?
ReplyDeleteTerry, your blog is like Father Z's, but in a boxing ring, ofcourse fights are gonna break out. It's not your fault. We're all just learning how to love each other, properly.
ReplyDeletePablo said:
"When a man has the opportunity to enter the Seminary and rejects it, his punishment will be much more severe than anyone else’s due to the loss of souls from lack of a Priest."
I was taught by nuns at a Saturday School retreat in St Pauls girls school Edgbaston UK, (not my actual senior school, by the way, which was non-Catholic, hence I got to go to school on Saturdays too :( )that a vocation is a gift from God, and like all gifts, it has to be accepted. In other words, it can be refused. It is not a command from God, it is an offer. They did not mention any threat of punishment for those who refused the gift. They mentioned another gift would be offered, infact.
I ask you once again, has the Church taught this? And if so, where.
Also do you acknowledge and are you bound by current Church teaching or are you in schism with Rome?
We must obey our spiritual leaders, as they will give an answer for us on Judgment day, not our wavering opinions.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders, and be submissive; for they watch over your souls as those that shall give account; that they may do this with joy, and not groaning, for this would be unprofitable for you.
I've quoted from the Douay Rheims translation, just to be sure to get the Catholic words that were used around the time of the reformation.
I encourage you to call on the Divine Mercy constantly, about any fears you obviously have, for men's souls. This is the time of Mercy Pablo, great mercy, and we must encourage everyone, the greatest sinners infact, to call on this mercy. The tone of your messages is one of terrifying judgment. This is not your job. It is God's domain. You and I are to show the mercy, we ourselves have received. And we are to show it tirelessly. If you are tired, pray for strength. I will pray for you, please pray for me. Sinner that I know I am.
Our Lady wishes us to do this aswell. After each decade she requests we pray for the souls of sinners most in need of God's Mercy. She requests this because of the Father's great love, that sent His only son to die in our place. This is GOOD NEWS. Jesus was Mary's son too, and He has paid too high a price, for us to use it as a stick to beat each other with.
Shame on us, I include myself for ever having done this, and ask forgiveness.
God bless all souls, and draw them to His sacred heart, to rest in His Love, Amen.
Thank you, Shadowlands, that was beautiful. The line you quoted at the top is what sent me into a frenzy. I am a scrupulous soul, and things like that scare me to death. I need to trust God more, and especially His Mercy.
ReplyDeleteI am now in the process of getting a marriage annulled. My wife is divorcing me because she feels our lives can't be compatible, let's just say I wanted to live by the Church's teachings on marriage and what comes with it. I don't know if an annulment will be possible, though, and I may be looking at a lifetime as a single man.
But I have never, ever, felt called to the priesthood ... I've thought about it, like most Catholic men at some time or another, but it's not for me. I always wanted to be a husband and a dad, but that path may be barred to me. Comments like that scare me because I do have the *opportunity* to perhaps one day be a priest, and if my marriage is indeed deemed valid then I can never marry again. I just want to trust that God has something in mind for me, and that he will not damn me eternally if I *choose* wrong.
Besides, such statements sound like the worst of the Legionaries of Christ / Regnum Christi pressure game.
Miss Shadowlands;
ReplyDeleteThe Madre that taught you about grace was correct.
Without grace and the living life of Christ one fails to be a contradiction to the world but instead becomes one with it.
She was teaching you as a girl, correctly.
The teaching for boys and men is much different.
We must either toil in the vineyard of the Divine Master, or become Husbands and Fathers.
The command to us is to go forth, be fruitful and multiply.
A woman is fruitful when she learns the ways of the Lord, bears fruit, and multiplies the number of souls for Heaven by inculcating love for God to her children.
A man must have a wife and children, or become a Priest of God, and have everyone on this planet as his children. He must multiply the numbers of souls for Heaven.
He is charged with the Supreme Law of Holy Mother Church: the Salvation of Souls.
Rejecting a grace does not mean another will be given.
We are not to presume on God’s mercy.
In all of my meetings with dyed in the wool Novus Ordos, including the Father Rector at the Basilica of Nuestra Senora Santa Maria de Guadalupe in Mexico City, I have never been told I was in schism for my respect of the True Mass and Tradition; this must be a European thing.
The Father Rector asked that I pray for him as well he would pray for me, and we would both leave the situation in the hands of Divine Providence. We were able to speak as men, which doesn’t happen much anymore, as men have taken to the counsel of women and have become sissified.
My children have all been Baptized in Holy Mother Church by Priests that knew us and the godparents because we were all Parishioners.
Recently, I questioned Baptisms that occurred (about forty at one time) where I knew some of the godparents were co-habitating, and perhaps some of the parents may have not been married in the Church.
Which of us is in schism, me or the approved by Rome Bishop that allowed this?
Do you advocate silence in this matter, Madam? According to the Scripture you quoted, this is permissible.
Obedience under any circumstance.
Poor children that have suffered because women became accomplices to what has happened.
Here is my resource for that statement:
The Prophet Zachary asked the Divine Redeemer: “What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands?”
"With these was I wounded in the house of them that loved Me. I was wounded by My friends, who did nothing to defend Me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of My adversaries".
In conclusion, I would like to direct you to a good Catechism, as your several questions as to where something is in the teachings of Holy Mother Church makes me think a Catholic Catechism would do you some good:
http://www.traditionalcatholicism.org
The Holy Father is taking much heat at the moment because someone ‘obeyed’ and helped cover-up something that should have been quickly stopped.
In this Catechism I am offering you, the teachings of these Priests will help you find your way back to Truth.
Each Hail Mary in the Holy Rosary is one of the one hundred and fifty Psalms that used to be recited, daily, from memory, by the Faithful. In her mercy, our Mother allowed us to say Hail Mary's instead.
I am not certain about the Chapulet of Divine Mercy, but I do know when you pray the Holy Rosary, you are walking in the garden of Heaven.
I prefer to walk in the garden at my Mother’s side.
Don’t worry about schism; that is something for the Holy Father to deal with.
Truth is not our making, but God's. And hence the Church in her history, due reparation made, has always welcomed the heretic back into the treasury of her souls, but never his heresy into the treasury of her wisdom.
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So according to you, a man who never finds a suitable wife or cannot marry for whatever reason, must become a priest or go to Hell? I thought only those called are to be priests. What about those who go to seminary, but decide it's not for them, that they perhaps weren't called? Do they do to Hell? Where is this Church teaching?
ReplyDeleteWhat if a man doesn't want to get married, but never becomes a priest because he's not called? So no man can serve God as a single man working a job and living a life and witnessing Christ to those around him?
And why do you use the term "Novus Ordos" for Catholics in union with the Pope and with Rome? Why use a term that is deliberately disrespectful? And even if the NO of the mass is inferior to the traditional liturgy of the Latin rite, it is still the "true mass."
Your definition of "true mass" would also exclude the Byzantine, Maronite, and other liturgies (which are done in the vernacular) that were also composed by saints.
And cohabiting godparents ... what's new? Sin in the Church? Say it ain't so! Do you think the Bishop personally okays everything like that? I know of several "Novus Ordo" priests who would tell the parents that they wouldn't allow that. Do you think the Magisterium of the Church approves of that?
Pablo, no one here has anything against Tradition, or against the Tridentine rite of the Mass, but you are asserting things that are not Tradition. But people do not go into schism for preferring the older rite, they go into schism for rejecting the authority of an ecumenical council and for refusing to submit to the authority of the Holy Father. Just ask the Greeks.
By the way, I have a Catechism too. It's called the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and it's published by ... the Catholic Church. I hope that is good enough
There is NO Catholic teaching that there is only one form of sacred liturgy (there are dozens today, and probably hundred in the past), and there is NO Catholic teaching that says men must be fathers, priests, or go to Hell. NONE AT ALL. And I am very sure that to say otherwise is frankly heretical.
There is a Catholic teaching that one must accept the Holy Father's headship, and that one must accept the teaching authority of the Church, the living Magisterium.
And we are not to go ahead and sin and presume God's Mercy. But His Mercy is all we have ... it's our only hope. The best we can do is to avoid sin, do our best to live virtuous lives pleasing to God, make frequent use of the sacraments, and TRUST IN HIS MERCY.
Many are the times we must use common sense.
ReplyDeleteOf course there will be men and women that do not marry, and many are those that do not enter Religious life.
These are the exceptions, and not the rule. Incidentally, a good Priest would discern the reason(s) for that person not marrying or entering Religious life.
My secretary’s Priest and Confessor quickly put her on the road to salvation once she went to confession with him. She had moved from New York to Colorado, and by God’s grace they met. We can never know the hour grace will come upon us, but we should remember to say a Hail Mary for those whose prayers aided in obtaining that grace.
She has never been married, but has a wedding gown at the ready should a good Catholic man need a good Catholic girl.
I use the term ‘Novus Ordos’ much the same as I would use the term ‘Arian Heretics’ were I living in the third century.
The Arians were in full communion with Rome, were they not? Was their Catechism Catholic?
St. Athanasius was not in full communion with the Hierarchy. I think the Pope ex-communicated him several times. Eventually, he got an St. in front of his name, the Pope did not.
“…Your definition of "true mass" would also exclude the Byzantine, Maronite, and other liturgies (which are done in the vernacular) that were also composed by saints…”
The True Mass is what Holy Scripture (Psalm 39:4) referred to as the ‘Canticum Novum’; the New Canticle. It was played by Jesus Christ on the cross.
On Holy Thursday, Christ gave the Magisterium instructions on how He wanted the Mass celebrated.
The Harp is the most tightly wound of instruments; the chords are pulled tight as they can be. That is why, when the cross makers made the holes too far apart, Christ was pulled tightly, as a harp, before He played out the Canticum Novum to His father in Heaven, of our salvation.
Baptism classes last several months. Protocols are in place that should secure the documents necessary to assure proper procedure is in place. A Bishop has little excuse that forty Baptisms at once could contain even one improper one.
When questioned, the Bishop’s reps should at least offer to correct any problems, or at least involve the complainant to help in other Baptism preparations.
Silence is deadly. Current circumstances have proven that.
Christ came for us sinners; I am in the Church, so of course there is sin. Repentance and contrition is also there, thank God.
“…There is NO Catholic teaching that there is only one form of sacred liturgy…”
Quo Primum (in English, "From the First") is the papal Bull decreed by Pope St. Pius V that set forever (in perpetuity) the specific form of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
“…The best we can do is to avoid sin, do our best to live virtuous lives pleasing to God, make frequent use of the sacraments, and TRUST IN HIS MERCY…”
Then let us not despair when He tests us, or punishes us by having our families fall apart, or we become ill with terminal disease.
We must have faith that God writes straight with crooked lines; ask and ask again and then ask some more in private conversations with Him, and in prayer, that if our families refuse to be obedient through most of their lives, that the Lord allow them the grace of perfect contrition before they die.
If you claim before God to love your family, why do you weep when He, the creator of their souls, takes what you claim is yours?
We need to see through the eyes of Christ.
Very hard to do, but we have to try.
I heard a sermon on that subject in Philedelphia a few months ago, and I am trying to get a recording of it. It was very edifying.
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Okay, I understand most of what you said. But are you really equating the "Novus Ordo" with the Arian heresy? doesn't that imply that you are calling the following people heretics: Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, all Cardinals and Bishops of the Church, including saintly men like Cardinals Cook, O'Connor, etc., Archbishop Sheen, Fr. John Hardon, Mother Angelica, Mother Theresa, etc. etc. etc.???
ReplyDeleteSo, you are saying that a Catholic who is in union with Peter and who submits to the Magisterium and heirarchy of the Catholic Church is ... a heretic?
As far as Quo Primum, you think Pope Paul VI didn't know what he was doing, or worse, was actively leading people astray? So John Paul II and Benedict XVI are also teaching heresy? How do you know it is they who are wrong and not you?
The Quo Primum argument has been played out. So Archbishop Lefevbre was the only bishop in the whole Church who "knew" that Quo Primum was forever binding?
"Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other Churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world"
... yet, Pius V himself allowed for other rites, such as the Ambrosian rite, Mozarabic rite, Lyonese rite, and Sarum rite, and other popes since have allowed for the Byzantine, the Maronite, etc. Pius V himself altered the Mass after he published Quo Primum, as did Popes Clement VIII and Urban VIII not longer after. And Pope Paul VI had the ecclesial authority to do what he did. Do I think the "Tridentine" Mass is better? Yes, I do. But the Ordinary Form is not objectively inferior in God's eyes. The Mass is the Mass, though there are several different rites, and always have been.
Just think: If you were a Byzantine Catholic, there was no change whatsoever in that rite from the pre- to the post V2 periods. And they do not have devotion to the Rosary, they do not accept most of our apparitions, they have different prayers, devotions, and traditions. but they are no less Catholic than you are. They accept ALL of Catholic Tradition, which includes Vatican 2 and submission to the roman Pontiff.
By the way, your story with the Bishop and Baptism is a travesty. It's a disgusting abuse of a holy sacrament.
ReplyDeleteBut Vatican 2 didn't do that. Liberal bishops did. I've never met an adult convert who didn't go through a long process of catechesis and accepting hard truths before being baptized.
"...doesn't that imply that you are calling the following people heretics..."
ReplyDeleteTo be a heretic you must first commit a mortal sin.
A person may profess something that is a heresy without the intent of sinning, mortally.
In example, a Bishop here in America is against capital punishment.
This is a heresy because it goes counter to the teachings of Holy Mother Church.
Is he a heretic?
No. He does not know any better because during his formation as a Priest he was not taught Holy Mother Church permits capital punishment.
You may commit a material heresy without being a heretic (this does not mean the Church grants you permission to do so).
Truth is not our making, but God's. And hence the Church in her history, due reparation made, has always welcomed the heretic back into the treasury of her souls, but never his heresy into the treasury of her wisdom.
We can cat chat ad infinitum.
My suggestion has been to put on hold any further discussion until you resolve personal issues you might have.
Know this;
Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you through experience.
I would ask that everyone pray for you and your family.
If you are fortunate enough to be close to an SSPX Chapel where Priests reside, pray the Holy Rosary with them, everyday if you can. They generally pray the Rosary about six P.M. in the Chapel. The Blessed Sacrament is there.
Once, I was praying with the SSPX Priests everyday for about a year and a half.
Something happened that is too oblique and complex to describe in detail. But we knew something happened.
Five years later I met with one of the people I happened to be praying for, and was told by him that five years earlier, due to advanced aids, his Doctor said he would soon be dead.
Then, suddenly, all traces of aids disappeared.
I think the Dispenser of Divine Graces approached her Son, and asked for a reprieve.
I am eternally grateful to those Priests for allowing me to send my meager prayers to Heaven, dovetailed to theirs.
Never was it known that anyone that sought the help of the Virgin Mary was left unaided.
I would further suggest to you that you keep your prayers and the reasons for them quiet. Just let the Padres know why you are praying.
During dark periods of the soul, remember those prayers that Priests and Nuns pray, are to bring you light in that darkness.
It will calm your soul to hear their prayers as you send yours to heaven.
Pray. It will provide your family with a chance to repent and amend their lives.
I will ask a Padre to say a Mass for your intentions.
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Pablo said
ReplyDelete'She has never been married, but has a wedding gown at the ready should a good Catholic man need a good Catholic girl.'
Oh Pablo, you are so funny!!
The Men I know would run in fear from such a woman.
Mercury, stick with the revealed truth as God has shown it to you, in your Catholic faith.
With scruples, we are drawn towards people who speak in the tone Pablo uses. We can't help it, but the fruit of such liasons is more fear and binding from the enemy, not freedom in Christ.
This is not intentional, I am sure, on Pablo's part, but it is nevertheless, a fact for sensitive souls such as yours and mine.
Our Lady gave me the assurance of God's love for me, in a way i could not seem to embrace through any other medium. I became a child with a loving parent. This is the relationship you seek, with God, I am sure. A secure knowledge that you are His child. Our Lady will bring this truth to the core of your being. If you mess up ( I do, often) you go back to her, and swear to do better. Also confession ( goes without saying). Remember, seventy times seventy if needed, Our Lord said this, so no arguing with the master.
Perfect love casts out fear. Immerse yourself in His Love. Request to be immersed, and just dive in!!!!!!!!!!
God bless Pablo too.
sorry, seventy times seven. That's still over four hundred chances every day!
ReplyDeleteYou won't get those odds anywhere else.
Dear Miss Shadowlands,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the blessing.
My secretary is a great woman.
She has just been unlucky at love.
She would be a wonderful wife. She attends Mass regularly, many times driving the thirty five miles one way in snowstorms. She has Charity. She loves her Priests and Confessors and helps them as much as she is allowed. She prays her Holy Rosary daily, and she is my moral compass while I do the things I need to get done.
The boyfriends she has had just don't get it.
Were I a young man I would certainly entertain thoughts of starting a family with her.(I used to be good looking at one time).
Thank you again for your blessing.
May God be with you.
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'Were I a young man I would certainly entertain thoughts of starting a family with her.(I used to be good looking at one time).'
ReplyDeleteOh Pablo, how romantic!! Don't let age be a barrier to love!! I mean, it's less suitable when it's the woman who is older, but as an older person, you have much experience to pass on to any children the Lord might bless you with!! The young people in the UK were flocking to the Holy Father, and he is 83 ( or is it 82?).
I shall pray for the pair of you.
We should try our best to quickly forget the acts of Charity we perform.
ReplyDeleteMy memory was triggered by what I percieved as negative statements towards speaking with strangers.
My secretary does need and would appreciate prayers on her behalf.
I am not able to marry her; she needs someone that would be able to spend the time necessary for married life.
Sometimes when we make comments, those remarks might sound egotistical.
If God allows us to do a little something for Him, the results are going to be amazing.
To Him belongs the glory.
Miss Sheri Lewis, God rest her soul, used to have a tune she would sing entitled 'This is the song that never ends'
Have you ever heard it?
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Pablo, thank you for your suggestions - I pray the rosary every day, and I am planning to start going to adoration as soon as I can get some transportation problems fixed.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't want to drag this chat out any longer. We believe different things. I accept the Pope and the Council - you do not.
I need to pray before the Blessed Sacrament, but I will not go to an SSPX chapel. I will not support a group that encourages dissent from the Pope and that rejects an ecumenical council.
Pablo
ReplyDeleteI don't recall the song. I will look it up on youtube though. I will pray for your secretary. And for you. And for Mercury.
God bless each.