See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient with it until it receives the early and the late rains. - James 5:7

Friday, May 06, 2011

I ask you: "How many gays must God create before we accept that he wants them around?”



"How many gays must God create before we accept that he wants them around?”
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Minnesota State Rep. Steve Simon asked that question during a debate over a proposed vote on a same-sex marriage amendment to the Minnesota State Constitution, warning, “If this becomes part of our Constitution, history will judge us all very, very harshly,” he says.
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To his credit Rep. Simon was calm and civil in his comments, refraining from any invective or accusations of bigotry often heard in response to religious leaders asking the state to refrain from legalizing same sex marriage.  Likewise, Minnesota's religious leaders were just as calm and civil in their appeal.  They were not banner waving scare mongers railing against homosexuality.  To the contrary, one of Minnesota's best Catholic bishops addressed the issue calmly, reasonably and compassionately in his testimony before the Committee in the Minnesota Legislature.  From the Catholic Spirit:
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Bishop Paul Sirba of Duluth testified May 2 before the House Civil Law Committee in support of a bill (HF 1613) that would put a constitutional amendment on the ballot in 2012 to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. 
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“Based on God’s Word given in divine revelation, we believe that marriage creates a sacred bond between spouses,” said Bishop Sirba, speaking for the Catholic bishops of Minnesota. “We hold this to be true not only for ourselves, but for all humanity.”
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The church’s convictions about marriage “find ample support in principles which can be discovered by human reason and which have been reflected throughout human history,” he said.
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Bishop Sirba said “the committed relationship between one man and one woman calls forth the best of the spouses, not only for their own sake, but also for the well-being of their children and for the advancement of the common good.”
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In defending the institution of marriage, he emphasized that “persons with same-sex attractions are our sisters and brothers, and should not be deprived of their authentic human rights, including the most fundamental rights of all — the right to life and the right to love.”
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The Catholic Church opposes discrimination against any person based on a same-sex attraction, he said. “At the same time,” he added, “meeting authentic human needs does not require changing society’s definition of marriage.”
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Bishop Sirba said the bishops believe the amendment is needed because several legislative proposals in the past few years have sought to “transform marriage from an institution focused on the needs of children into a totally new legal entity centered on the happiness of adults.” - Catholic Spirit
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God created them, male and female...
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Rep. Simon's comments went 'viral' as they say, news desks around the world picked up on it.  Why?  Because many people are convinced God created human beings to be gay.  There are well meaning religious people and homosexual persons who insist that is true.  The Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn't pretend to know the cause of homosexuality, rather it asserts:
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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Neither does the Church condemn homosexual persons:
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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However, the Church must proclaim the truth about sexuality and marriage and teaches:
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2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament. - CCC
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The attempt to redefine nature.
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The debate and campaign to legalize same sex marriage will go on.  In the meantime, legislators in favor of legalizing same sex marriage have been throwing out subtle challenges to religious leaders who stand in defense of traditional marriage.  The challengers seek to denigrate traditional religious teaching, marginalizing it as out of touch with contemporary social needs.  I believe that is what was behind Rep. Simon's remark, which plays to a secularized audience accustomed to dismissing religious conviction to private practice and whose moral standards are based upon popular cultural sentimentality and moral relativism.  It is part of the cultural morass Benedict XVI warned about, “Today these basic human rights (religious freedom) are again under threat from attitudes and ideologies which would impede free religious expression.”
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"Religious freedom goes to the very heart of what it means to be human."
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As Harvard law professor Mary Ann Glendon explained at the conclusion of the recent conference in Rome on religious freedom by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences:
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(Glendon) said there is a "critical challenge for religious liberty" today. "Even in countries where religious liberty has a long and apparently secure constitutional foundation, the suspicion of those religious believers who claim to know truths about the human person leads to marginalization and even outright discrimination."
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Even in countries with few restrictions, Glendon added, "the academy and public life often portray religion as a source of social division, and treat religious freedom as a second-class right to be trumped by a range of other claims and interests."
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(O)ne of the principal ways in which religious liberty is violated is by construing it so narrowly as to confine it to the private sphere." - Zenit 
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My comment:
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I was watching the local news with a friend when the video with Rep. Simon was aired, and my friend who doesn't understand the big deal about same sex marriage said to me, "How would they like it if we banned religion?  Why don't we just ban religion and religious people?"
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I laughed and said, "Yeah.  Because that worked out so well for the Soviet Union."
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Religious freedom is the big issue - and don't kid yourself, same sex marriage threatens that.
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“We see before our eyes the evil fruits of life in a society which pretends to take the place of God in making its laws and in giving its judgments, in a society in which those in power decide what is right and just, according to their desires and convenience, even at the cost of perpetrating the gravest harm upon their neighbour.” - Cardinal Burke

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Photo: Rep. Steve Simon.  He's a nice guy.

19 comments:

  1. Huh?
    Sorry, I'm just a mental monastic priest...I don't get it...somebody will have to take care of me someday; I'm just mental:)!

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  2. I posted this video a couple of days ago. There is, currently, a discussion in my comments about whether or not gay people are like people who have sex with animals and children.

    As long as this is the rhetoric that's used, there will be no reconciliation. I would suggest an open dialogue with those in one's own camp before an expedition to the camps of others.

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  3. Very good, Terry. Linked...

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  4. NP - what didn't you get? ;)

    Thom - gay people are not like either.

    Adrienne - thanks!

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  5. I didn't say some weren't. I'd address the same comments to them, as well.

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  6. ...and do, actually, frequently.

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  7. Now I don't get it. Just send me donations and maybe I will. LOL!

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  8. Children deserve to be in a mother-father unit.
    It's natural law; why is that so difficult to understand?
    I realize that children are raised in all kinds of everything...but the norm is a mom-dad.
    as for my "mental" thing...
    Sorry.
    I'm just having a melt=down.
    Nothing to do with anything here.

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  9. I ask you: "How many gays must God create before we accept that he wants them around?”

    Did God create cold?

    Did God create darkness?

    Did God create sin?

    A multitude of sins does not make something sinful permissible.

    “How many times will you continue to sin, before God smites you?” is the reply to this modernist Liberal quack.

    I can’t believe the passiveness of the Bishops; so pleasing to Satan in their complete lack of zeal against sin.

    A Sheppard that does not go out and kick the wolf’s ass when the wolf comes around his sheep is no Sheppard at all.

    I guess that is what happens when Bishops and Priests take the counsel of women.

    Compromise and placate becomes the order of the day.


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  10. Jesus "took the counsel of a woman."

    He was raised by one.

    I like to call her Theotokos.

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  11. Contrary to popular belief, I did indeed have a mommy.

    Being raised by a mommy and taking the counsel of women are two entirely different propositions.

    Exactly what was the supposed 'counsel' our Mother gave Christ?

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  12. I'm very sure you had a mommy, buddy. However, I'm not sure how a mother can raise a child and not counsel it.

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  13. Oh my, Terry. I just realized where you misunderstood. I misread your response to my first comment, thinking that you left out "that."

    Oh good grief, Ima just drive to Minnesota and we can talk it out over a whiskey or seven.

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  14. I guess I did - I didn't realize it.

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  15. Nazareth Priest - If it is my post you didn't understand, my intention was to link the MN Rep's statemnt to the political tendency to restrict religious freedom in favor of special interest activists.

    I interpreted the Rep. Simon's question as a subtle form of intimidation aimed at the religious leaders who testified before the committee in defense of traditional marriage. What I am suggesting is that such comments are used in an effort to form public opinion on the issue, against traditional moral teaching. The eventual outcome of which leads to the restriction of religious freedom: Specifically as it pertains to traditional Judeo-Christian teaching that homosexual behavior is immoral.

    I'm not sure I was successful conveying that.

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  16. I'm pleased to see that The Catholic Spirit noted that Sirba was speaking only "for the Catholic bishops of Minnesota." It would have been erroneous if it said he was speaking for the Church, i.e. the entire people of God. The bishops clearly do not speak for the Catholic people on this issue, as this report from the Public Religion Research Center clearly shows.

    Both Sirba's testimony to the House and Bishop John Quinn's testimony to the Senate were embarrassing to hear. Both men were attempting to impose the Catholic hierarchy's uninformed sexual theology onto this country's secular society.

    I appreciate William D. Lindsey's comments on this situation:

    "This is a cultural debate about something that has happened over and over in American society as the foundational principles of our democracy are extended to groups that have been excluded from full participation solely due to indefensible discrimination. The cultural discussion in which we're involved right now in American society, vis-a-vis marriage equality, is not a discussion about how and whether religious viewpoints should dictate legal norms in American society.

    "Religious viewpoints can't do that. Not in a bona fide secular democracy. Not in a pluralistic society normed by foundational documents that enshrine democratic principles in those normative documents.

    "This is a debate about equality. It's a debate about the full inclusion in our democratic society of a group of citizens stigmatized by prejudice, who continue to be excluded from the social mainstream by legalized discrimination that impedes their ability to contribute, to pursue their careers, to raise families, and so forth.

    "What on earth does any Christian church imagine it's doing, defending the exclusion of some members of the human community from the social mainstream, solely because a church wants to envisage those human beings as less than human? And in what way does the attack on those stigmatized human beings by leaders of any religious community -- in Minnesota, notably the state's Catholic bishops -- contribute to a healthy society that respects human rights? . . ."


    Another well-reasoned and thoughtful commentary was published recently in the Duluth News Tribune. It's written by Gary Boelhower, a theology professor at the College of St. Scholastica, and is appropriately titled "Banning Gay Marriage Would Institutionalize Discrimination."

    Finally, the Winona Daily News has published a powerful editorial in which the proposed marriage amendment is labeled "hateful," "bigoted," and "malicious." This commentary is republished here on my blog.

    My hope is that both Bishop Sirba and Bishop Quinn prayerfully reflect upon the commentaries published in the newspapers of their respective cities, and experience a profound change of heart around the issue of justice and equality in the civic arena for LGBT people.

    Peace,

    Michael

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  17. I can’t believe the passiveness of the Bishops; so pleasing to Satan in their complete lack of zeal against sin.

    A Sheppard that does not go out and kick the wolf’s ass when the wolf comes around his sheep is no Sheppard at all.


    Pablo, I love you, lol! How do you think we got into this mess??

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  18. Michael Archangel - you do not know Bishop Sirba - he is a very holy bishop, I know him personally. He is not at all passive. You do not know what you are talking about. You are insulting a bishop of the Catholic Church.

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  19. Michael Baley, I'm disappointed that you would set yourself up as an authority above the Bishops and the Pope, the Teaching Magisterium of the Catholic Church. You are in grave error. What is even more serious is that you are leading others to sin. God have mercy on you my friend.

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