Friday, January 24, 2020

Spreading Devotion to the Extraordinary Form of Mass.



Nothing wrong with that.

Yet to make the claim one form of Holy Mass is better than another, or more efficacious, is a big mistake.  Yet that is what devotees frequently do, even Fr. Z and his followers.  Not always overtly, but it is implied - especially in his comment box.  Recently he posted: "A diocese smells the coffee: starts planning for decline of the Novus Ordo and growth of the TLM"

Just the language of the title seems to denigrate, declass the Ordinary Form of Mass, by referring to it as the Novus Ordo - which is understood by most to mean the 'new' Mass.  That is, the Ordinary Form of Mass celebrated by Roman Catholics throughout the world.  TLM stand for Traditional Latin Mass - known after Summorum Pontificum as the Extraordinary Form.  Summorum was not meant to be divisive but inclusive.  I have heard some Catholic claim that if one continues to attend the EF after experiencing the transcendent beauty of the EF, they offend God.  That is the notion I object most to.

Janet Smith posted a supportive link to Fr. Z's post and I responded.  In vain, I dare say.  This was the exchange:

Terry Nelson I hate it when you people promote this - Fr. Z's mentor and patron was not anti-VII, nor anti Novus Ordo. He celebrated the Novus Ordo - promoting Latin and ad orientem - seriously, there was no tangible difference to the ordinary Catholic in the manner Mass was celebrated. I went to talk to Monsignor, confessed to him - I think he would completely disapprove of how Fr. Z promotes this division. 
Janet E. Smith What is offensive or divisive about what was posted? People are gravitating to the TLM. Is that bad or divisive? Are those who stick with the NO divisive? Both are permitted. It not divisive to prefer one or the other. People who keep lamenting “division” are the ones causing it, IMHO.
Terry Nelson Janet E. Smith there is nothing wrong with an attachment to the EF - the OF is the ordinary form in the Church, when celebrated according to rubrics, esp. ad orientem, the OF is fine. To say one is holier than another is mistaken. To devoutly prefer one to another is not bad in itself, but it often degenerates into mockery of and condemnation of the OF. (In the extreme, calling into question the NO sacraments - including Holy Orders.) Fr. Z promotes the OF and encourages 'recruits' to it, if you will. Underlying all of this is the claim the OF is not as holy, that it's an abomination. Read the commentary Fr. Z gets. Holy Mass should not be politicized but that is how it gets treated, the 'liberals' don't like it, the 'conservatives' do, and so on. That's wrong. I grew up with the TLM, I was an altar boy - as Mons. Pope recently pointed out, the EF wasn't always well celebrated either. Wasn't the point of the Summorum Pontificum to help the Ordinary Form? It's been my observation it has been used to oppose the Pope and any authentic reform of VII.

My experience with Dr. Smith is that she is more or less dismissive of anyone who is neither an academic or cleric.  The conversation I began on her site developed further, with other commenters who supported her POV.  Nothing wrong with her opinion BTW, my point was made.  My experience of promoters of the TLM is that they are the divisive element when they think anyone devoted to the OF Mass is ignorant of tradition, and/or protestant.

I love both forms of Mass.  I also love the traditional celebration of the sacraments.  The Ordinary Form of things are just as sacred, just as holy, and no more or less eficacious than the EF.

As I have said before, I believe many people are drawn to deeper devotion in and through the traditional liturgical rites. Nothing wrong with that at all. It is their personal experience, but it cannot be stated that therefore the extraordinary Form is holier or more pleasing to God, when in fact the Church celebrates the Ordinary Form as the central form of the liturgy. (I'm not a liturgist so I'm not sure I expressed that well.) Playing the two forms against one another, or saying one is more efficacious than the other is an error. It seems to me that attitude is also a form of snobbery which is often observable in other areas of the lives of such people. (It's frequently fairly obvious on social media.)

As regards exterior things, he (Editor: one who is attached to the grandeur and pomp of the EF) will become unable to dispose himself for prayer in all places, but will be confined to places that are to his taste; and thus he will often fail in prayer, because, as the saying goes, he can understand no other book than his own village. - S. John, Ascent

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  1. Idk why, but I have never cared for Janet Smith. She and her opinion have never appealed to me especially more so now that she is said to be running with the anti-Francis crowd.
    The OF of the Mass suits me fine especially when celebrated with much reverence. Sadly, I have seen it not celebrated so reverently in the past but that has never been a reason for me to leave because believe me when I say that I have found the folks attending a NO Mass so much more friendlier than those attending an EF Mass. There, I was ignored without so much as a nod of welcome. I am sure there are friendly folks there but I haven't seen any yet.

    Anyway, I'm with you on this one too, Terry. ^^)

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    1. Thanks Yaya - I'm with you as well. Yep, I'm disappointed in Smith and I'm glad she's retired. She's so doctrinaire - esp. about same-sex-gay issues. She mentioned once that Mon. Essef is her SD and he was SD for M. Teresa at one time - I think that's fine - but SD sometimes miss the spiritual pride that accompanies credentials such as that, and they beget them in their directees. Not that I could know that In Dr. Smith's case, but it could account for her seeking spiritual stability in traditionalism. I actually love the EF - notthe Pontifical Mass at the Throne - that is not my style - I love the low Mass. But I'm always in favor of the vernacular as opposed to Latin. I learned Latin as an altar boy, and I studied Latin in school - but an accurate translation in the vernacular is immediately accessible to ordinary Catholics at Mass. Anyway - these peeps can be polarizing and dismiss anyone who has encountered Christ in the Ordinary Form of Mass. Imagine our Lord separating his Sacred Body into groups with this or that attachment to a preferred form of worship.

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  2. I've been to the EF and in this particular parish the music was glorious, I am guessing the Latin was pronounced well, and the homily was nothing short of boring. Oh, and I counted 26 ladies wearing veils but mine was the nicest. My first time there the lady next to me tried to help me with his missal but I had forgotten my glasses. Nobody ever approached me again to offer help, invite me for coffee, etc. For a short time I belonged to a traditional Catholic women's FB page. Every problem was "fixed" by suggestions of 1)the green/brown/whatever color scapular, 2)praying this or that novena, 3)wearing a veil - as if God is a vending machine. I also belong to a born-again Christian women's FB page (I am undercover there - have not outed myself as Catholic) and when I have a problem they post the most beautiful and holy prayers. So much more I could post but then I'd really need a blog ;)

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    1. I would *love* to read a blog you write, since I have read with interest your comments on this blog. You seem to be sensible, faithful, and kind, with a dose of good humor thrown in! I agree that the Latin music is glorious - my husband is a member of the schola choir at our home parish (which is Ordinary Form), and our fellow parishioners and I love their music, which is chanted a capella. And I agree - our non-Catholic friends may be outside of the True Faith, but they sincerely and joyfully love Jesus, and are often the first in line to comfort and assist those in trouble. They are not our enemies, as some would have it - we are extended family, and hopefully one day we will all be reunited! Warmest blessings - Susan

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    2. Susan, you are far too kind :) I will consider the blog thing again...will keep you posted!

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  3. Also can I just say that all those fancy vestments that Fr. Z has made in Italy - some of them are just ugly and the material looks like an old granny's sofa from 1972.

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    1. Haha! Thanks for contributing. Great response!

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    2. Akshually, he was inspired by my granny's sofa.

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    3. He does look overstuffed.

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  4. Terry, I am very much with you and the other commenters on this page, and I am so glad you addressed this.

    Some time ago, Father posted an article expounding on how any idiot could learn how to say the Ordinary Form Mass in 10 minutes, but it took much longer to learn how to say the Extraordinary Form (therefore implying that the EF is superior). I objected, saying I expect it takes much longer for any priest to learn how to say the OF properly, and that it promotes disrespect of those priests, who constitute the majority of priests in the US, to infer that their holy work is no big deal. I said there are many good and holy priests, validly ordained and selflessly serving their parishioners and the Church, who only say the OF, and they do not deserve to be insulted. And that the OF and EF are equally valid forms of celebrating the Mass, and that it is not a competition, nor is one holier than the other. Father had a spittle-flecked nutty and barred me from commenting on his blog at that point.

    After hearing how many treasure and love the EF, I attended a Mass at a neighboring parish which offers it. On entering the vestibule, the ushers and congregants looked at me like I had a third eye growing out of my forehead. I had not gotten the memo about the dress code, and had dressed as I usually do at my home parish - slacks, silk blouse, cardigan, and no head covering. No one informed me that I needed to wear a dress and veil. And no one offered me a translation, so I had only a vague idea of what was going on during Mass. When I left, there was no smile or friendly greeting from any of the congregants, ushers, or priest (I realize this is not why we go to Mass, but it is what is normal here in the Midwest at Catholic parishes).

    I had not received Communion, so I attended a later Mass at my own parish, where Mass was celebrated with reverence and joy.

    If a stranger enters our parish church and is inappropriately dressed, or who looks a bit bewildered and needs help, one of our ushers would surely have helped or had a quiet word with the visitor, or if the visitor was a woman, would have had one of our female parishioners speak to the visitor with kindness and discretion. I have to say, in my case at least, I am far happier and closer to Jesus at my home parish, although I respect my fellow Catholics who prefer the EF and know we are equally faithful members of our holy Church.

    I hope I have not offended anyone, but this is my own experience. I am sure the priest in question has many fine qualities, but I think he is a bit off on this particular subject.

    And yes, dear Angela, you should have your own blog, and I agree that the fancy and presumably very expensive vestments in question look like rather overdone slipcovers from the 1940s!

    Peace to all here - Susan

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    1. Many thanks Susan - what a great comment. Too bad Fr. Z can't take criticism - doesn't sound to me as if you were anything but polite. Not many people who follow Fr. Z seem to realize or care how rude and condescending he is. It's too bad many young seminarians seem to think of him as some sort of role model.

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    2. The picture of him in this post makes him look bloated. He looks to have gained lots of weight either from medication or overeating. May it not be anything serious because he does not look healthy.

      Back on topic ... regardless of which Mass one prefers to attend, Christ Jesus is first and foremost. That being said, I am of the opinion church going folks should show hospitality and kindness towards anyone they encounter in Church lest they scowl at our Lord (unbeknowst to them) walking among his people on a fine Sunday morn.
      Just saying ...

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    3. There is a woman I follow on FB - Leticia Ochoa Adams - and she posted a photo of what she wore to Mass before she had a conversion experience. It was a low cut top, shorts, and high heeled boots. At that time that's what she thought was proper. She dresses differently now but she said, " please be kind to the person you see at Mass who maybe isn’t wearing something you approve of and shake their hand. Welcome them to your parish and ask them about themselves and stand in that space without offering anything but kindness. No advice, no offers to join a “how to dress for Mass” class. Nothing but “hi, it’s nice to meet you. I am glad you’re here!” And maybe say “I love your boots!”.
      To be honest, I am not sure I could say I love "stripper boots" but she is correct about welcoming the stranger with no judgements or advice. One thing I've learned over the years is that nobody is going to listen to advice, never mind take it, if they don't trust you.

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  6. I think I'm in trouble for this so I am taking down the upolstery comment. I hate it when I get in trouble.

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    1. Balderdash! You made what (in my opinion) was merely a light hearted jest.
      Were the shoe on the other foot no one would cry foul due to his supposed online so-called celebrity status.
      Lord have mercy on us all!
      Have a great week Terry to both you and your friend!

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