Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Michael Voris Mic'd Up Over Sodomy

“There is an effort in some countries to manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws..."*

No matter what you say about Michael Voris, the information here is troubling.

That said, Voris certainly nails the means of corruption: Catholic ed., Social Justice groups, and Liturgy.  I've always said LGBTQ theory, according to the Fr. Curran, John O'Neil, New Ways Ministry model, has influenced Catholic education for decades.  Likewise, Social Justice groups in the Church indiscriminately support equality issues related to LGBTQ and radical feminism as well.  I'm not sure how the liturgy has been 'sodomized' - perhaps he means by LGBTQ Masses?  I'll have to watch the show to find out.

Before you say Voris is nuts, just remember what he discusses has been documented and more or less ignored or filed away, out of sight, for one reason or another - again for decades.  The most famous and objective book being The Homosexual Network: Private Lives and Public Policy - Fr. Enrique Rueda - it remains an excellent reference.  The book was pretty much black listed after its release.  It's out of print but copies are still available on Amazon.  It's not cheap - used copies start at $95 - I paid $90 for my copy a few years ago.

From my understanding there remains a few religious orders in the Church who will not accept anyone with homosexual inclination - even those with 2 or 3 years of living chastely.  It is my understanding that most seminaries and religious communities will accept candidates with homosexual inclination provided they have proven themselves able to live chastely and celibately.  Some Catholic bloggers have taken up this issue once again and I expect the discussion will explode after the Voris Mic'd up episode airs tonight.  Click here.

I've written about this stuff over the years and my experience is that nothing much has changed.  So we'll see what Voris and his troupe can do to reform the Church now.

Voris is also correct in noting that Courage Apostolate has been blocked in some dioceses by priests and bishops who are not supportive.  I know that from experience.

*FYI - a reminder from the CDF:
5. “There is an effort in some countries to manipulate the Church by gaining the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws. This is done in order to conform to these pressure groups' concept that homosexuality is at least a completely harmless, if not an entirely good, thing. Even when the practice of homosexuality may seriously threaten the lives and well-being of a large number of people, its advocates remain undeterred and refuse to consider the magnitude of the risks involved” (no. 9). 
6. “She (the Church) is also aware that the view that homosexual activity is equivalent to or as acceptable as the sexual expression of conjugal love has a direct impact on society's understanding of the nature and rights of the family and puts them in jeopardy” (no. 9). 
7. “It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law. 
But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase” (no. 10). - CDF

Song for this post here.

H/T Ray


  1. "Before you say Voris is nuts,"...LOL.

    Voris is having a hissy fit about the gays again? Are hits down on his site or is he doing a membership drive like PBS does instead of marathons of "Antiques Road Show," we get "Voris Newest Hysterical Claims about Homos!"

    Fr. Rueda was far from objective...(who is) he was sponsored by a right wing organization and had his axe to grind for the Church..which is fine, but objective is not the word I would use. However, he would be happy with a world of shadowy gay people on the fringes with no Voris would love to but that ship has sailed. At least had the time Fr. Rueda was writing it was Voris is just preaching to the choir.

    However, did you see how much his book is going for on Amazon????

  2. I know - it starts at $95!

    What I don't understand with the Voris video is his slamming Fr. Barron. I'm not sure why he does that.

    1. Fr. Barron leads by example and engages everyone with respect..he doesn't engage in hysterical diatribes....that might be the reason as Voris knows his bread and butter is with the angry crowd who love him being the Prayer Warrior or whatever his schtick is.

      Or it could be that...."Father Barron has produced over 350 online video commentaries which have received over 9.5 million views worldwide. The videos have made him the most popular Catholic evangelist on YouTube." Who knows?

    2. I like Fr. Barron.

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  4. I left out an important word in my post so I'm reposting.

    I find Fr. Barron very troubling. His "almost everyone on the planet is saved" not only goes against what Jesus said, but it makes the Blessed Mother a liar. She showed little children souls dropping into hell "like snowflakes." What kind of sadistic mother shows children such a terrifying image if it isn't true?

    Most people today seem to think God is the Candyman waiting to give out goodies on Judgment Day. I'd rather have someone speak the hard truth and urge me to repent than someone who tickles my ears all the way up to the gates of hell. But then I'm not "objective" because I'm on this episode of "Mic'd Up."

    With regard to Fr. Rueda, you'd have to provide more information. His book is heavily footnoted and it seems to me he only became more traditional (working with the SSPX) after he was suspended by Matthew Clarke. He ended up working in Florida for Kodak and saying Masses (valid but illicit) wherever he was needed. If he was in Miami, a real den of homosexuality, he was definitely needed.

    1. I had no idea Rueda ended like that. All I knew was that he had died - I assumed he was till a priest in good standing. I'm not aware of Fr. B. claiming universal salvation.

      Though Our Lady did show the Fatima children Hell and souls in hell, the snowflake anecdote is not from Fatima - Sr. Elena Aiello said something similar - but unfortunately it is always mistakenly attributed to Fatima. I only point it out because it adds to the misinformation surrounding an approved apparition.

    2. I just found an essay Barron did in response to Ralph Martin's book. I didn't get the impression that Fr. Barron accepts the concept of universal salvation, he seems to be on the same page as Benedict XVI on the subject. You may read the article here:

      I also know 'one may reasonable hope for universal salvation' was condemned - but I don't see Barron embracing that notion either.

    3. Anonymous10:16 PM

      Is this Matthew Clarke the bishop emeritus of Rochester (NY)? If so then the plot definitely thickens around Fr. Rueda.

    4. Fr. Reuda's work was sponsored and published by Paul Weyrich and the Free Congress Foundation. Take it for what is worth, if your part of the Christian Far Right you think he is wonderful and if you are moderate or left you think Weyrich was a nut.

  5. From what I understand Fr. Barron said we don't know how many people go to hell if any..which means..we just don't know. God's saving grace is as powerful as it mysterious. Now he may have said something else but that is what I read.

    1. Actually the Westboro Baptists know who is going there. ;)

  6. Hello Terry, I live in Rochester NYand have before and after Matthew Clark's tenure as Bishop here. He was a fine Bishop for us so your blanket condemnation of him took me with surprise. There is a small vocal and vicious group here who blame him for everything from school closing to global warming! He had several controversial issues to deal with during his time like Fr. Curran and a break away parish deep into woman issues. He served us well however so please do not dismiss his whole ministry in unfair comments that are most likely generated by malicious people on the internet.

    1. Thanks very much Wallace - I will remove my comment about him. Thanks very much for the correction.


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