Tuesday, June 14, 2016

This just in: The Christian response to the Orlando murders... or why the ACLU blames Christians for the terrorist attack by a lone wolf ISIS 'operative'.

Factions are using the gay nightclub atrocity for ideological gain.

First, let me say, I am appalled by most of what I've been reading on social media regarding the attack on the gay nightclub in Orlando Florida.  Be it gay-Catholic activists seeking to force the USCCB come out and discuss the attack as a hate crime against LGBT people, to the right-wing nut-job Catholic fundamentalists who claim "when bad people get murdered by other bad people, it doesn’t make them suddenly good."  Even when they write PC posts purportedly caring about the state of their souls at the moment of death, one detects a sort of God-is-on-our-side triumphalism.  As I said to my friend Mack in the combox yesterday:

It was an act of terror by a fanatic fundamentalist.
The people killed were individual persons. The dignity of the human person is rooted in his creation in the image and likeness of God. No one knows the state of their soul at the moment of death, neither before or after. No one. Most were probably Catholics, going by the names. Not all were gay or bi or better put - lgbtq. As you know, gay bars - esp. big clubs host a variety of people - regulars often mix with tourists out for great dance music and/or an exotic experience or simply the entertainment. These are the people who go out night-clubbing on Saturday night.
Remember Paris when the Stepford fundamentalists focused upon the name of the group and the so-called satanic connection in the name "Eagles of Death Metal"?  The judged the victims and scorned those who mourned them and the manner in which they mourned them.  Imagine.
You are right Mack - their responses so far have the same 'tone of ridicule and superiority' and it arises from their habit of 'dehumanizing and demonizing others.' I think it's perhaps an insular coping mechanism, which allows them to go back to their normal life, assured that they are not like the rest of sinful humanity, many reassured by the sentiment Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick tweeted you "reap what you sow".

The wages of sin is death...

We will all come to the same end unless we repent.  

Although Sunday night a Baptist preacher had this to say to his congregation:

Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”

“People say, like: Well, aren’t you sad that 50 sodomites died?” Jimenez said, referencing the initial death toll in Orlando, which authorities later clarified included 49 victims plus the gunman. “Here’s the problem with that. It’s like the equivalent of asking me — what if you asked me: ​Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?’
“Um, no, I think that’s great. I think that helps society. You know, I think Orlando, Fla., is a little safer tonight.”
He added: “The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die. The tragedy is — I’m kind of upset that he didn’t finish the job!”
ISIS wants Pastor Jimenez  dead too.  Strange bedfellows.  It appears as if Jimenez approves of ISIS tactics to rid the world of 'the rest of sinful humanity' - and he seems so grateful not to be as bad as those people who were killed.


I guess I missed the announcement that the people who died in the Pulse attack are martyrs.  The man who killed them turned out to be gay himself.  So if these people at Pulse were killed out of homophobia, the homophobe himself was gay.  It's senseless.  It's senseless killing.  It's sheer evil.  It's an act of hatred for humanity.  ISIS operatives do that.  Nazis did that.

Christians killed for their faith are killed in odium fidei - in hatred of the faith.  This is the martydom of sanctity - this makes the martyred saints.

Naturally the world, secular culture, social media, shocked by the immensity of the crime, deeply moved by the sudden, unexpected deaths of a group of people totally unaware death came stalking, the secular concept of martyrdom comes to mind.

Stop right there.  Can't religious people sympathize and comfort the mourning and bury the dead and console the sorrowing first - before self-righteously Bible-thumping-catechetical-instructions over their heads?

The people killed were human beings - like you and me.  

Years ago, a local man - a minor civil servant, yet a known personality - was murdered down by the river in a gay cruising area.  I knew a priest who was his confessor and he told me the man was trying to live a chaste life but sometimes fell back into old habits.  The guy was back at the park and was shot and killed by an unknown assailant - it was considered 'gay bashing' at the time.  Long story short, I was at a religious book store shopping the day the story hit the news, and I heard two workers in the store speaking about it, one guy said, "As St. Paul wrote, "the wages of sin is death" - he got what he deserved."  The other guy said - "Yup.  Wrong place, wrong time."  The murdered man was thus dehumanized and condemned, and the workers continued talking, speculating when the warning and chastisement would happen.  They seemed to know all about that stuff too.

Though  ACLU attorney Chase Strangio is wrong to pin this on Christians - it becomes a convenient and easy scapegoat for angry individuals and mobs.  The ACLU is dead wrong.  ISIS hates them too.

Gay activists who insist that Catholic leaders make this out to be a LGBTQ hate crime while rejecting their call for prayers for the victims are dead wrong as well.

As one survivor from the Pulse shootings said - this is about hate - hate on human beings - not just gay people.  It's an act of terror.  Make it about gay - about yourself and your political causes - "YOU are part of the problem. Your words are empty and your hearts are hollow."  

Our own words, our judgments, frequently condemn us.

I stand condemned with the victims of terrorism.

Mr. Naulings
"This was a hate crime on people, not just gay people. We were never a disease or abomination. We are human. We wanted to be accepted, we were in our safe comfort zone. This was somewhere we can be us. There is no judgment when you enter somewhere you are safe at, it's like your home." - Survivor Demetrice Naulings CBS


  1. There seems to be no end is stupid, thoughtless and downright wicked comments unleashed in the world today. Fault finding and finger pointing are our new national pastime. In the process we forget that pure evil exists, has followers and is also unleashed on the world. I do not see the devil around every corner, but I do see his handiwork in these mass killings. The rosary is still the greatest comfort and weapon in this battle. I suspect many are being prayed in the Latino community of Orlando. Yes, some who are very close to this tragedy will, in the strength of their faith, also pray for this troubled man. We must too, but I am not there yet.

    1. WallaceH - I think Our Lady was with her children when this broke out. These are her children.

  2. "Bishop Robert Lynch of St. Petersburg: "Sadly, it is religion, including our own, that targets, mostly verbally, and often breeds contempt for gays, lesbians and transgender people. Attacks today on LGBT men and women often plant the seed of contempt, then hatred, which can ultimately lead to violence."

    Fr. James Martin is sharing this news piece on his FB page. I can honestly say I don't like what he or the Bishop are saying. Some of the commentary from folks who support them are calling for the Catholic Church to "toss out all the anti-LGBT rhetoric and hate it has spewed for so many years."


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    2. A couple of days ago I watched a documentary on Netflix about Tab Hunter and what it was like being gay in Hollywood in the 1950's and 60's. Tab Hunter was and is Catholic, and he said that when he was a kid he loved the Church, especially the Latin Mass, and that he sang in the choir. But he was very conflicted about his homosexuality, and hated himself for it. He said he went to confession and talked to a priest about it, and the priest responded in a very condemning way, showing no mercy whatsoever. This turned Tab Hunter against the Church, and who can blame him? Although, to his credit, he does still go to Mass.

      I watched another documentary today on YouTube in which Michael Musto said that when he was young, he was constantly wishing that he would wake up and not be gay, but it just never happened. You, Terry, certainly understand the trials and hardships that homosexuals have suffered in the past, and the constant condemnation they have had to deal with even from Catholic clergy.

      I think Bishop Lynch was absolutely correct, and God Bless him for having the courage to say it. That is truly the Francis Effect.

    3. Terry,

      As we all know, the MSM can twist things around. I looked up Bishop Lynch and read what he actually said.

      Here is the link if you decide to read it for yourself:


    4. Thanks Mary and Yaya - I spoke too soon I guess - I only read the headlines - my bad for responding that way.

      Glad to know Tab Hunter still goes to Mass. I probably could match his stories about that - the thing is - I wasn't surprised when I was yelled at and told I was going to hell if I continued to do this or that or move in with a lover. I left too. I came back however.

      I don't have a disagreement with Catholic teaching one bit - I never have. When I couldn't live up to it, I didn't. Then I had a profound experience of Jesus, and shortly after that, another deeply mystical experience of Him in the Blessed Sacrament - I was able to accept Catholic teaching after those experiences of merciful love. I also understood that many people never had that experience, and may have difficulty accepting Catholic teaching. I also know that these experiences or graces were no guarantee that I would never fall again. But they certainly helped me to keep trying.

      That said. I will now read what Lynch actually said and maybe respond in another post - or here.

      Thanks to both of you for the correction.

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  3. Terry, the only stuff I can read about this whole situation is on your blog. All else gets deleted, blocked or ignored.

    1. I'm really disgusted by the coverage. Actually MSM interviews of the actual victim survivors is a much better source for understanding.

      I keep praying.

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  5. I think it is an interesting and important conversation to have, but comparing the two.I think it doesn't do service either to this horrible event of the topic itself. The guy was a fruitcake who found a soft target and one that from the reports, he knows quite well. He was also looking at Disney World, etc. If it wasn't his religion it would be something else that set him off. You can blame it as much on him being a closet case...who, as Michael Voris has proven, are the most loudest most strident most hatefull homophobes around.

    Despite what I think about the archaic Catholic teaching on this..one can agree with it and still be disgusted on what they find Catholic bloggers and commenters write and the verbiage they use. It is dripping with disdain and no, not for the sin but for the people themselves. These people practically break their arms patting themselves on the back as they say they are standing up for the truth, yet, time and time again the only thing they write about is this particular "sin" and the only sinners they feel fit to make fun of are gay people. Underneath all of that is a very strong sense of "Well, I can make fun of at least one "minority" and I am covered because...uh, its sin!" Catholic bloggers like Fr. Z...(who I am sorry, I am going to call him out for being a douche) and that odd looking Deacon, and outright nutballs like Ruse and those fruitcakes who post on Crisis..instead of comparing them to radical terrorists I would compare them to that group of young people in Boston who ganged up on two gay guys and beat the crap out of them. All of them from " good : families and all of them products of Catholic schools. But they felt empowered buy their numbers and maybe, just maybe the way they were brought up and their interpertation of their faith..that gays are disordered freaks and its a-okay to gang up and beat the crap out of them, cause, you know their fags and its gross and a sin.

    So its not the Church we should be looking at (though again I disagree with it but how Catholics use their faith as weapon to bully a group of people who they feel they can get away with.

    1. Apparently ISIS is not ashamed to claim him as the 'Lion of the Caliphate'. Go figure.

      I agree with you that the contempt shown by several bloggers and commenters really does reveal their disdain for the persons and not just the sin. The lack of charity, and in some cases, outright hatred is clearly demonstrated.

      As you know I don't consider Catholic moral teaching archaic - although I think the attitudes expressed by many of the self-appointed moral theologians and Inquisitors online is.

      Watching the survivors telling their story - actually listening to them - their dignity and humanity comes through, and if one isn't moved to compassion by their stories, then something is very wrong.

  6. ..."Hypocrite ! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye !"....
    These people have always, will Always, DELIGHT in their condemnations. Their self righteousness, and yes actually GLEE over this dark, intense tragedy is so very galling to me. Their own shame is invisible to them. They reinforce each other and follow their condemnation down a very black path.
    No matter whether Catholic condemners, or fundamentalist: no matter Daesh: no matter MSM.

  7. The Washington Post has written brief obits on the victims.
    Akyra Monet Murray was only 18.

    1. Thanks E - I'm reading them. I'm more sad than ever.


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