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Monday, March 30, 2015

So queer: Wedding cakes under discussion at Patheos ...



The Indiana bigot story here.

What?

9 comments:

  1. A college friend ordered a pornographic cake for a bachelor party and was given a frosted cake, two cupcakes, a tub of frosting and a couple of Hersheys kisses.

    To me, the problem with wedding cakes is that often they're set up at the venue.

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    1. How is that pornographic? Oh...

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  2. Every business that wants to do this should post a sign outside, "We don't serve sinners."...how long will they stay in business? But that is not what is happening here, the sign should say, "We don't serve certain sinners that we personally have a problem with but all others are welcome."

    Fortunately this cynical move by a politician who has his sights set on something bigger is backfiring on him big time. Interestingly enough this law has become not just a debate between gay rights and Far Right Christians but also between Pro Business Republicans and Social Conservative Republicans

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    1. I know what this is about and I sympathize with the business owners but I just can't see how providing baked goods, flowers, photography is anything more than a service and not at all a gesture of support for same sex marriage. I would say just bake the cake. However, if there is a conscientious exemption because of religious convictions I believe it ought to be respected. Then there is the fact that there are circumstances of just discrimination - which are more or less completely disregarded in our day.

      That said, the irony of all this is that in most large cities, the baker, the dressmaker, the photographer, the florist, the wedding-planner, and in some cases even the minister are all gay - and some might even be in a same sex union of some sort - yet the majority of people will patronize them and pay them to do their weddings.

      I think both sides should let it go - let the bakers bake cakes - or not.

      Gay couples - look for another baker.

      Or - like Nan's story - bake the cake and let them put on their own bride and bride, groom and groom.

      Weddings are over-rated. I'm ashamed of gay people for demanding them in the first place, as well as for upsetting the whole world with their ostentatious demands. I'm totally serious.

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    2. Oh - and as I said in my post on Terri Shiavo - there are more serious, more important issues this week than the wedding business.

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  3. Here there are two issues. First, marriage is a public act, thus it's a public sin. We're called to avoid the near occasions of sin as well as to avoid participation in the sins of other people. Changing the law in no way changes the sinful nature of homosexual acts.

    Second, in many cases, the Christian business owners are being targeted by those demanding Tolerance.There's a huge problem with double standards. Especially when, as has been pointed out, nobody bats an eyelash when business owners are gay - those who care, take their business elsewhere without trying to take down the gay persons business.

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    1. Amen. I lack the finesse needed to articulate such heated topics but thanks to you and Terry's commentary, I understand better why I should just remain silent and pray, pray, pray.


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