Did St. Joseph grant Mrs. Pelosi's prayer and not the others?
The Healthcare Bill passed.
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It'll be interesting to catch up on the scathing rhetoric many Catholic bloggers will no doubt be hurling at this unfortunate woman throughout the day today.
St Joseph had nothing to do with it. As anon said - the Lord works in mysterious ways. I believe God is permitting things to happen in order to a) raise up great saints and b) reveal even greater glory to Himself when these faux Catholics have a massive conversion.
You know, if Nancy Pelosi is lost,as she surely is, there are plenty of priests and Bishops who led the way of the lost for decades. Remember, Drinan SJ told the whole gang that abortion was OK. I think this sometimes people lose sight of the responsibility that men at the helm had..Dodd Kerry Biden et al did not get there on their own. The Bishops sure did not seem to man up on this final round with the press.
Maria - EXACTLY! How many other people see that? very few I think - these politcians sidesaddling up with the LCWR sisters think they are on the right course because of the fact they have had bishops, priests and teachers tolerating radical dissent from Rome and Church teaching all of these years. What's it take to get this through Catholic people's head? Another Pastoral Letter from the Pope?
Thanks for commenting 3 times on this important fact too. ;)
Terry--I was lost for many years, in no small part, because I was misled by many Jesuits . Hence, I am sensitive to the damage that can be done by the hierarchy. Don't misunderstand me, I don't blame anyone for my sin; however, the priests and Bishops need to assume responsiblility for their flocks. I love people like Chaput for precisely this reason.
This bit of insight from the National Catholic Register blog: . "Moreover, the Bishops silence for years in the face of pro-abortion Catholic politicians has given aid and comfort to those who seek the death of children. The Bishop’s unwillingness, with some obvious exceptions, to effectively address or discipline pro-abort Catholic politicians allowed for the Democrats to portray the Church as divided on the issue. They have also allowed a culture of dissent to flourish for decades that culminated in the shameful last minute endorsement by a group of radical nuns that seriously hurt the cause of life.
The bishops’ decades long collective silence on these issues allowed for this culture to develop and has resulted in the USCCB being understandably criticized as an extension of the Democrat party (the Democrat party at prayer they say). This is the horrible result of that ungodly alliance." - NCR . The author Pat Archbold has already backed it down a bit, adding an addendum to explain his statement. He got it right the first time. Read the rest here: . http://www.ncregister.com/blog/bishops_share_the_blame/ . Years ago when Fr. Paul Marx pioneered the pro-life movement, few, if any bishops were on board with him - like I said in my obituary post for him, it was hardly on anyone's radar screen - and as anyone old enough knows, neither was contraception. Rome was ignored - which means Humanae Vitae was dismissed and roundly rejected, not simply dissented from.
There is a huge lack of honesty and transparency in all of this. Huge.
AMEN. To wit, it is mighty difficult to now put pro-abort politicians, homosexual activism and dissenting nuns and priests back in the bottle. It might be impossible.
Our t.v. was turned on to C-Span for the whole time yesterday preceding and up to the vote (not my idea, other people in the family decided they wanted to watch it). I have got such a headache. I have never heard so much overheated rhetoric in all my life. I didn't listen to all the debate, but quite a bit of it. From what I was able to determine from what was said; it sounded as if there was protection for life and freedom of conscience for medical workers, at least as much as would be possible given the present circumstances of bitter partisanship. Is it perfect? No. Perfect would be repeal of Roe vs Wade. But the sun did come up this morning. And I remain unconvinced that abortion was really the main issue for some of those most opposed to any kind of health care reform.
To wit, it is mighty difficult to now put pro-abort politicians, homosexual activism and dissenting nuns and priests back in the bottle. It might be impossible.
It will be left to the laity - those who are faithful to the Church and her teaching. We can't elect pro-abortion candidates, we must resist and defeat the activism that's occurring in the schools and in the culture, and the dissenting nuns and priests - while being prayed for - have to be challenged and perhaps even ignored. Charitably, of course. We might not be successful, but God doesn't grade us on account of our success.
Men such as Terry are crucial to the revival of the faith in this country.
Larry D: right on. The laity have to embrace the call to holiness, live it, charitably confront their pastors when they stray, and hope in the Lord. Prophets weren't welcome by the religious establishment...evah...so Terry just has to continue...and that's the truth!:<)!( if I could spit out a "raspberry" ala "Edith Ann" I would!)
Please comment with charity and avoid ad hominem attacks. I exercise the right to delete comments I find inappropriate. If you use your real name there is a better chance your comment will stay put.
Her "invocation" may be the biggest sacrilege that I have ever witnessed.
ReplyDeleteThe Lord works in mysterious ways. Who can know it?
ReplyDeleteAnything like your scathing rhetoric? :-p
ReplyDeleteThom - I know! I keep trying to fix that though. I really do.
ReplyDeleteSt Joseph had nothing to do with it. As anon said - the Lord works in mysterious ways. I believe God is permitting things to happen in order to a) raise up great saints and b) reveal even greater glory to Himself when these faux Catholics have a massive conversion.
ReplyDeleteHey, it could happen, right?
You are right Larry.
ReplyDelete"The Lord is gracious and merciful,
slow to anger and of great kindness. The Lord is good to all and compassionate to all of his works." - Ps. 145
You know, if Nancy Pelosi is lost,as she surely is, there are plenty of priests and Bishops who led the way of the lost for decades. Remember, Drinan SJ told the whole gang that abortion was OK. I think this sometimes people lose sight of the responsibility that men at the helm had..Dodd Kerry Biden et al did not get there on their own. The Bishops sure did not seem to man up on this final round with the press.
ReplyDeleteI'll let God deal with Nancy, Biden, and the likes of Stupak. I'm sure He has plans...
ReplyDeleteMaria - EXACTLY! How many other people see that? very few I think - these politcians sidesaddling up with the LCWR sisters think they are on the right course because of the fact they have had bishops, priests and teachers tolerating radical dissent from Rome and Church teaching all of these years. What's it take to get this through Catholic people's head? Another Pastoral Letter from the Pope?
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting 3 times on this important fact too. ;)
All that I can think about is yesterday's Gospel.
ReplyDeleteTerry--I was lost for many years, in no small part, because I was misled by many Jesuits . Hence, I am sensitive to the damage that can be done by the hierarchy. Don't misunderstand me, I don't blame anyone for my sin; however, the priests and Bishops need to assume responsiblility for their flocks. I love people like Chaput for precisely this reason.
ReplyDeleteNot at all Maria - I think I understand what you meant. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteThis bit of insight from the National Catholic Register blog:
ReplyDelete.
"Moreover, the Bishops silence for years in the face of pro-abortion Catholic politicians has given aid and comfort to those who seek the death of children. The Bishop’s unwillingness, with some obvious exceptions, to effectively address or discipline pro-abort Catholic politicians allowed for the Democrats to portray the Church as divided on the issue. They have also allowed a culture of dissent to flourish for decades that culminated in the shameful last minute endorsement by a group of radical nuns that seriously hurt the cause of life.
The bishops’ decades long collective silence on these issues allowed for this culture to develop and has resulted in the USCCB being understandably criticized as an extension of the Democrat party (the Democrat party at prayer they say). This is the horrible result of that ungodly alliance." - NCR
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The author Pat Archbold has already backed it down a bit, adding an addendum to explain his statement. He got it right the first time. Read the rest here:
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/bishops_share_the_blame/
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Years ago when Fr. Paul Marx pioneered the pro-life movement, few, if any bishops were on board with him - like I said in my obituary post for him, it was hardly on anyone's radar screen - and as anyone old enough knows, neither was contraception. Rome was ignored - which means Humanae Vitae was dismissed and roundly rejected, not simply dissented from.
There is a huge lack of honesty and transparency in all of this. Huge.
AMEN. To wit, it is mighty difficult to now put pro-abort politicians, homosexual activism and dissenting nuns and priests back in the bottle. It might be impossible.
ReplyDeleteOur t.v. was turned on to C-Span for the whole time yesterday preceding and up to the vote (not my idea, other people in the family decided they wanted to watch it). I have got such a headache. I have never heard so much overheated rhetoric in all my life. I didn't listen to all the debate, but quite a bit of it. From what I was able to determine from what was said; it sounded as if there was protection for life and freedom of conscience for medical workers, at least as much as would be possible given the present circumstances of bitter partisanship. Is it perfect? No. Perfect would be repeal of Roe vs Wade. But the sun did come up this morning. And I remain unconvinced that abortion was really the main issue for some of those most opposed to any kind of health care reform.
ReplyDeleteTo wit, it is mighty difficult to now put pro-abort politicians, homosexual activism and dissenting nuns and priests back in the bottle. It might be impossible.
ReplyDeleteIt will be left to the laity - those who are faithful to the Church and her teaching. We can't elect pro-abortion candidates, we must resist and defeat the activism that's occurring in the schools and in the culture, and the dissenting nuns and priests - while being prayed for - have to be challenged and perhaps even ignored. Charitably, of course. We might not be successful, but God doesn't grade us on account of our success.
Men such as Terry are crucial to the revival of the faith in this country.
(Holy moley, did I just say that?!? LOL!!)
I seriously meant what I wrote...
Thanks Larry. Pray for me - I get rather discouraged at times.
ReplyDeleteLarry D: right on.
ReplyDeleteThe laity have to embrace the call to holiness, live it, charitably confront their pastors when they stray, and hope in the Lord.
Prophets weren't welcome by the religious establishment...evah...so Terry just has to continue...and that's the truth!:<)!( if I could spit out a "raspberry" ala "Edith Ann" I would!)