Tuesday, October 08, 2013

Argument of the Month Club Oktoberfest with Mike Voris and Mark Shea underway...

Red carpet pre-debate coverage...
 
 
 
All the women were promptly removed.
 
 
 
A disguised Mark Shea arrives with his security detail and ran smack into Mike Voris. 


 
 
Security - crowd control in the beer garden.
 
 
 
 
 
First arrest of the night: No conceal and carry permit.
 
 
 
Meanwhile...
 Badger Catholic arrived late.
 
 
 
 
Mike Voris takes his place on stage. 
 
 
 
Cameras, cell phones, recording devices go black ...
the debate begins!
 
 
 
What?
 
 
 
 
Now I wish I would have attended.

29 comments:

  1. Lol..I don't know who the hell Mark Shea is..and only fairly recently discovered who Vorus was..which my auto correct wants to spell as Virus...but I hope the debate is a least have the fun of your posts!

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  2. I need to get a screen shot of this post before it is removed in 3...2...1... poof!

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  3. This post (especially the shot of my fellow Canadians standing in for Mark Shea and guest) made my day. My face hurts from grinning.

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  4. It's as though you were there!

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  5. Mark - I hope you're okay! ;)

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  6. My apologies Mark - I just read a review of the debate. Again, I hope you are okay.

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  7. Is there a blow-by-blow posted anywhere? Can't find one myself and would love to read.

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  8. Or is that a male-only privilege as well?

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  9. There's a review here:

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/10/would-this-were-end-of-lay-apostolic.html

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  10. Ah! Cyril Koob. Yeah. Well, all you really need to know is that Cyril's contribution to the festivities was to walk up and tell me I was "a lying piece of shit." So, you know, be aware of those little biases. They took video and audio so you can watch it yourself if you like. It went about as I expected. It's a raucous group and there were close to 600 guys there. I can never tell from where I sit how things are being received, so I'm the last person to ask about who won. I, of course, continue to think I'm right since, you know , Jesus is the one who prescribes prayer, fasting, almsgiving and the works of mercy and it's pretty hard to argue with him. But how well *I* argued for those things is for others to decide. Dale Ahlquist, whose judgment I generally trust, was happy with me and thought I won. How the other 600 guys saw it is anybody's guess. But ol' Cyril is about as far out at the end of the bellcurve as you can get. Nice to have him blocked on Facebook. Peace and quiet.

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    1. Who is this Cyril Koob guy? I was in attendance...did he make any sort of noteworthy appearance? Was he the guy who kept rudely interrupting the speakers?

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  11. Thanks, Terry. And now I'm sorry I read it. I want a second opinion.

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  12. Mark - and here I thought Cyril had mellowed.

    I kind of warned people though - in jest - but I know who would be there.

    I'm sorry you were treated so badly.

    Keep in mind that this archdiocese is really screwed up.

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  13. Wow, that blog, no matter what the man's opinion..is terribly written (yet oh so florid! And bitchy! Not to stereotype but is this guy straight??) As an outsider, (someone not of that archdiocese) I must say I am quite impressed that around 500 people showed up for something like this. Is your archdiocese so "active.," and interested? I mean, 500 guys...that is wild..unless the beer was free!

    I hope they post the video..as I am fascinated by Voris and his acolytes..not in the way he would want I think..

    I can't believe that, if this guy's blog post is indicative, that we Catholics treat each other this way.

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  14. Plus, I think I am now a big fan of this man named "Cyril Koob,"...you guys have a little bit of Twin Peaks, (sorry Terry, Harmony) going on over there don't you?

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  15. its good to see that no one left without their limbs in tact... their pride might be shattered though...praying for all those that were there talking about this troubling situation...thinking about Ron Burgundy looking at his fellow newsmen and saying well that escalated quickly ;-P

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  16. its probably a good thing it wasnt taped or recorded {?] more gossip and scandal would flow like the Mississippi

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  17. Mack - Twin Peaks-Harmony, that's why we're called the Twin Cities.

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  18. .... If there was a winner of the first session, it was probably Shea, but mainly because he stayed on topic. They should have allowed a 10 minute vetting at the beginning to air any grievances and get them out of the way(also the late start kind of messed up things a bit, too many interruptions). I went with a Voris guy who thought Shea "won" - Shea successfully defending the gay saint issue although Voris gave a very fair accusation I thought. The second session wasn't really a debate per se, not really a winner ...... Voris better in the second session, all four guys actually were good in the second session. I heard about the "a lying piece of shit" incident, didn't realize who or what that was or what it was about until now. Also a couple guys interrupting during the debate for some reason. The beer flowed like wine, and the wine flowed like beer after the beer was gone....

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    1. How could they have the airing of grievances when they didn't have a Festivus pole or time scheduled for feats of strength?

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    2. Mr Kroger:

      I wasn't there but I am familiar with this unhistorical nonsense about homosexual Saints which I have seen bandied about on the internet. (One is always surprised that those who defend such a concept seem to have some supernatural access to the personal lives of the Saints, and all their sins)

      If it is true that Mr Shea is attempting to give credence to such rubbish the answer may lie in his admiration for a seriously troubled priest friend of his. I would hope that a little more attention to true historical facts, not to mention simple Catholic common sense, will wean anyone away from the notion that one can be a sodomite and a Saint at the same time.

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  19. Terry: I wasn't treated badly. I was treated like one of the guys. I had a good time. Koob was an annoyance but, in general, the crowd was having fun and so was I. It was sort of like being at a wrassling match. I disagreed on certain points, but for the most part it was a roomful of Catholic men who all believe the creed. Good times.

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  20. Mark - good to hear! And you got out alive.

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  21. Nearly 600 men AND BEER?!!! May God reward whoever had to clean up!

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  22. If Cyril "the Eponymous Flower" is nuts, it's because he reads and comments on every troubling thing that clergy say or do. This is extremely ill-advised. There are hundreds of thousands of men and women religious in the Church--of course there will be plenty of ugly things to read about! May God give him peace.

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  23. My read: a lot of venom early. I did look up online what Shea's said about Voris. Not pretty. I know neither Shea nor Voris from a hole in the wall. Some friends talked me into going a couple hours each way to this debate. Voris looked pretty hostile/bitter early and seemed on the attack; in charity I can say that he seemed to want to say his ill-will toward Mr. Shea was based on Shea's prior lambasting of people who follow Michael Voris. You know how it goes -- if you slap me on the cheek, I'll offer you the other cheek; if you slap my wife on the cheek, I'll offer to slap YOU on both cheeks. I don't know. Jesus wasn't always warm, fuzzy, and full-of-tact either.

    I thought the evening went well at the end, other than the heckler. All sides seemed to have gotten "fairly" much on the same page, even if they emphasized different elements of Catholicism.

    There was a lot of energy. Sometimes it's just nice to be with men who are all asking the same questions, and all just trying to get to Heaven.

    The highlights: the fellowship in the beer garden beforehand and the ride there and back with my friends. I thought the beer and food was good. The hosting pastor was entertaining and seemed a good priest.

    I don't know if I'll be going to another Argument of the Month Club event unless my friends talk me into it again.

    A friend of mine noted that Father Grebner, who spoke out in favor of Lumen Gentium, was wearing blue jeans under his cassock. I don't know if that is significant to anyone or not.

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  24. Aged parent - at least one Sodomite became a saint - that would be Lot - he and his family left Sodom of course - which just goes to show you, if someone leaves a sinful lifestyle behind, they can indeed be saved and even become a saint.

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