Does YouCat really endorse contraception?
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A new Vatican-sponsored catechism intended for youth suggests that Christian couples “can and should” use “contraceptive methods” when deciding on how many children to have.
The revelation comes two days before the eve of the official launch of the so-called “YouCat,” produced specially for the Church’s World Youth Day event, to be held in Madrid this coming August.
The Vatican’s spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, SJ, told EWTN News April 11, “I have not yet seen the text of YouCat and am therefore unable to comment further.” - EWTN
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This better be a mistake. (I'm told the Ignatius translation avoids this mistake.)
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H/T Diane at Te Deum Luademus
Cardinal Christoph Schonborn
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ReplyDeleteIt appears that the problem is in the Italian version, from the original German.
The English one is ok?
Somne of the more "traddy' folks I know believe that NFP and other such methods, while approved by the Church, are contraception, because the couple is not 100 percent open to life by knowing when the fertile vs non fertile days are. In other words, you should only be having sex when you KNOW the woman is fertile..
ReplyDeleteSara
I wonder if they should have sex at all.
ReplyDeleteI crack myself up.
I really don't like that title, "YouCat".
ReplyDeleteIt reminds me of My Cousin Vinny
Or someone being rude to a cat.
ReplyDelete"Somne of the more "traddy' folks I know believe that NFP and other such methods, while approved by the Church, are contraception, because the couple is not 100 percent open to life by knowing when the fertile vs non fertile days are. In other words, you should only be having sex when you KNOW the woman is fertile.."
ReplyDeleteSara, since 'trads' don't use NFP, they don't know whether or not they are fertile since they aren't checking fertility signs. I think a lot of them just let the children fall as they may, so to speak.
Suzanne
While I'm not into the NFP enthusiasm, and every serious married Catholic knows that they should by default be very generous in having children, it's disgusting how some people accuse those who use NFP of contraception. Some people do try to be holier than the Church. Of course, when you're holier than the Church, you're not holy, you're just a jerk.
ReplyDeleteI remember readin some of the old comment boxes on this site, from before the real holy rollers got scared off ( :) ), and someone accused certain subcultures (not naming names) of trying to be "more Catholic than the pope", and this one woman got really defensive and proceeded to explain how traditionalists really ARE more Catholic than the pope. The fact that she didn't even protest speaks volumes of pride. And it was hilarious, besides.
The translation problem is apparently only with the Italiano edition at this point. The lifesitenews article (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/italian-version-of-official-world-youth-day-catechism-errs-on-contraception) has the full text.
ReplyDeleteAs for the title, yeah, I'm not a big fan of it either. Makes me think more of the I Can Has Cheezburger website.
No offense to anyone but NFP is contraception. Why can't we jut admit it? You don't want a baby this year so you're using NFP. It's approved b the Church but the point is --once you cut to the bone past all the cheerleading is that you get the sex without the kid. If you're only having sex on the days when a pregnancy is unlikely to happen, that's deliberately avoiding the risk. It's like getting into a vat of grapes with rubber boots on and then claiming that it was God's will that you didn't get grapes stains on your feet.
ReplyDeleteDymphna, no offense, but you are wrong. There must be sufficiently serious reasons for using NFP, but there is nothing intrinsically evil about a couple having intercourse at a time when conception is impossible or unlikely to occur. The morality lies in the limiting of relations to this time period, but it CAN be justified. Contraception is deliberately rendering a potentially fertile act infertile. It is deliberately INTRUSIVE, and that is the key. NFP is simply abstaining on certain days.
ReplyDeleteDo you think it makes you holy to pronounce sin and impure grave sin on people when the churn clearly teaches otherwise? Wow, you must be so much holier than all those contraceptive couples using NFP.
And by the way, your "NFP is contraception" crap shows that you do not understand what contraception is - an act which prevents a conception that is likely to occur. Simply not having intercourse when conception is likely occur is NOT contraception, it is abstinence.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0603250.htm
ReplyDeleteNFP is Catholic Birth Control. And, that is probably why the Church limits its use. If it is perfectly licit, then why are there limitations placed on its use? Why is it okay to deliberately avoid having children only in certain instances but the same behavior is illicit in others?
There must be serious reasons, for sure. But remember that it is an issue of generosity, not chastity. And if its use is limited, that means that it's not in itself wrong, just that it must be justified - and humanae vitae speaks of the reasons why. Fr. John Hardon speaks of it, as well. Compare it to contraception, which cannot be justified. Serious financial and psychological issues can, for example, justify using NFP. It is not and cannot be evil in itself, but only if it is done for selfish reasons (I wanna get a new boat, people will think we're weird if we have more than one kid, etc.). The bottom line is that it is not acting against nature and not frustrating the faculty.
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