Sunday, February 24, 2013

Mass chat: Michael Voris nails it this time ...




I'm not kidding.

Voris lays it out in detail

I've also written about the Fr. Oko report Voris discusses in the video, click here.
 
Those people who strive to live in accord with Church teaching on sexuality may at last breathe a sigh of relief that the truth is finally coming out, that our struggle hasn't been in vain.  (Who were those confessors who told us it wasn't a sin? Or those who said, "See Christ in the limbs of your lover?")**
 
Michael Voris is at his very best in this video report. 
 
Excerpt from Fr. Oko's report:
On the other hand, homosexuality is a wound on the personality which may impair many other functions. Such impairments include distorted relationships with other men, women and children; the habit of constantly pretending, hiding something important in their lives; the pattern of playing a game which prevents honest, deep, emotionally fair relationships with peers and tutors. It also hampers proper understanding and respect for the nature of femininity and marriage as the mystery of the love between a man and a woman. Besides, if a homosexual feel similar desires towards men as a man who is undisturbed in that regard feels towards women, these desires will be constantly aroused in him by the permanent, close presence of the objects of his desire. He finds himself in a situation analogous to that of a normal man who were to live for several years (or for the whole life) under one roof, using the same dormitory and common bathrooms with many attractive women. The likelihood of maintaining chastity in such a situation would rapidly decline. We should respect and try to understand our homosexual brothers to the same extent we respect and try to understand any human being. They often do their best, try, and some of them succeed, live a decent or even a holy life. Objectively, however, it is much, much harder for them, and so they fail much more often.

If, however, they are unable to control their tendencies, and succeed in passing through the sieves of seminarian control, real trouble begins in priesthood or monastic life. They no longer benefit from the presence and control of their supervisors, their freedom is much greater. If they yield to temptation and go down the road of active homosexuality, their situation becomes desperate. On the one hand, they administer the sacraments, celebrate the Holy Mass every day, deal with the holiest of holy objects; and on the other hand they keep doing the exact opposite, that which is particularly deplorable. This way they “become immune” to that which is higher, that which is holy, their moral life yields to atrophy, going steadily downhill towards the fall. The more of that which is higher dies in them, the more room there is for that which is lower – the desire for material, sensual things – money, power, career, lust and sex. They can hardly be helped, since the highest means of formation, faith and grace have failed. They know well, however, that they may be exposed and embarrassed, so they shield one another by offering mutual support. They build informal relationships reminding of a clique or even mafia, aim at holding particularly those positions which offer power and money. - Rorate
 
 
I've been writing about this on and off for the past six years.  Priest friends have scolded me and dropped me, just like they called out Robert Moynihan for his report last week.  Stay honest and keep talking. 
 
The truth must come out.  Sorry, I don't play favorites - but I won't be going on any cruise either.  :)
 
The greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church. - Benedict XVI

 
 
 **Music for this post here.
 

12 comments:

  1. Father Oko's report was excellent. I read it last week.

    I remember the time I was teaching an adult class and stated that the Church did not have a problem with pedophilia, but instead had a problem with homosexuality. You would have thought I just pooped in my pants by the reactions.

    I'll be viewing Voris' Faith Based Investigation on Homosexuality in a bit. It's an hour and half and promises to be interesting.

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  2. Strangely enough, Fr. Martin S.J. and Sr. Gramick from New Ways Ministry would pretty much have to back up Fr. Oko's research. Recall Gramick once stated that about 50% of priests are gay, while Fr. Martin just last year said he wished all the gay priests would 'come out'.

    Then of course their is Fr. Rueda's seminal study, "The Homosexual Network".

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  3. Anonymous4:56 PM

    I'm not sure he quite nails it, actually. He seems to designate the actively homosexual element of the Church as the emeny of his pet, the Tridentine Mass. To do that is also to bury one's head in the sand, I'm afraid. The fact is that, whether or not anybody cares to see it or admit to it, the element in question, here, is ensconced in the Latin Mass "tradosphere", too.

    Furthermore, he posits that the actively gay element of the Church has effectively bullied the Pope into retirement. The Pope is lying, evidently, and out of cowardice, no less. He isn't retiring on account of his age and incapacity; there's a more sinister reason that Pope Benedict is covering up.

    Yes, there is a very real actively homosexual element to the Church that is part of the Church's tragic modern day corruption. That much I can see is true. I've seen it up close, in fact.

    But there is another kind of corruption that may be just as corrosive, I think, namely a "fundamentalist wing" of the Church...an agenda-driven Catholic Tea Party of sorts that holds fast to a rather narrow view of what Catholicism means, and which wants to decide for all of us what badges we ought to wear in order to qualify as "Real" Catholics.

    This wing of the Church tends to be led by a sort of Magisterium of Lay Apologists who are very often converts from Evangelical Protestantism who are happy to tell you just where you must stand on any given issue in order to be as authentically Catholic as they now are.

    They are very happy to tell us what sort of liturgy we SHOULD be attending (they are even happy to state for the record what style of liturgy the Pope SHOULD be celebrating) and which political party we SHOULD be supporting. And now they're apparently telling us what sort of pope we SHOULD be praying for! Those who oppose them are painted, not as their own enemies, but as the very enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church. Very typical.

    I'm sorry, but I tend to see Voris in this camp, and I really can't say I respect what he does. See him in this clip, seizing upon the Pope's abdication, and using it as an opportunity to canonize his kind of Catholicism and his favorite kind of Mass...the "Real" kind of Catholicism, the "true" kind of Mass.

    Pope Benedict, as he and others in his camp saw matters, was "their" pope (even though "their" pope never once celebrated the "true" Mass), and now that "their" pope is leaving, it's because of a conspiracy by homosexuals...who are all in some opposing camp, of course...not in his. The homosexual underground is nowhere to be found among the "Real" Catholics who attend (and celebrate) the "TLM".

    It's all well and good to accuse Cardinal Dolan and half the Catholic episcopacy of burying their heads in the sand with regard to corruption in the Church...provided one isn't doing the very same thing, that is.

    James

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  4. Thanks James - I probably should have been more temperate in my 'praise' I suppose. You bring up some very good points.

    One must keep in mind that Voris has issues with the KofC which would explain his take on the Dolan comment.

    I appreciate you point here 'even though "their" pope never once celebrated the "true" Mass' - good catch.

    Thanks.

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  5. Anonymous7:02 PM

    "I appreciate your point here 'even though 'their' pope never celebrated the 'true' Mass' - good catch."

    Oh, dear. Did I type that out loud? Don't repeat it; nobody's supposed to notice that. Particularly now that they've launched his re-election campaign. The plumbers are probably at work as I type thi....

    James

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  6. +JMJ+

    Am I just oversensitive, or did Voris go out of his way to make the Philippines look really Third World in those video clips? All of Imelda's hard work down the drain . . .

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  7. ezequiel8:39 AM

    I'm thinking I am probably one of the people James would call a fundamentalist or a "Taliban," and I agree with him re: what no one's "supposed to notice." It's the reason I don't think we really claim the Holy Father to be "our" pope. Just markedly saner than the two before him. It's clear by that specific fact "no one's supposed to notice" and plain as day in his writings and teachings that he's not "one of us" per se.

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  8. I hope folks will understand my formating...

    quoting James...
    "Yes, there is a very real actively homosexual element to the Church that is part of the Church's tragic modern day corruption. That much I can see is true. I've seen it up close, in fact."

    [priests, correct?]

    "But there is another kind of corruption that may be just as corrosive, I think, namely a "fundamentalist wing" of the Church...an agenda-driven Catholic Tea Party of sorts that holds fast to a rather narrow view of what Catholicism means, and which wants to decide for all of us what badges we ought to wear in order to qualify as "Real" Catholics.
    This wing of the Church tends to be led by a sort of Magisterium of Lay Apologists who are very often converts from Evangelical Protestantism who are happy to tell you just where you must stand on any given issue in order to be as authentically Catholic as they now are."

    [Actually, these lay people who make up the "fundamentalist wing" of the Church...really?...have no love for the TLM either and they're *laity*. I can choose to ignore them, not follow their blogs, not buy their books, etc., etc., etc. But I *do* need a priest for Confession, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Last Rites. I want good and holy priests, not Monseignor Meth. At this point, I do not care who is gay, I just want them out.]

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  9. "Homoheresy."

    I can't fathom why some people just stop listening entirely.

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  10. Enbrethiliel - I didn't catch any 3rd world portrayal. I was at first impressed that the bishops were there, but as you said, they'd be there anyway.

    To be honest - I was taken by Our Lady of Lippa - I have great devotion to her. I mention it explain my initial enthusiasm.

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  11. +JMJ+

    That was just me being trollish. =P It was actually Voris who made me do a double take. How weird to see him here . . .

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  12. +JMJ+

    PS -- If I ever get the chance to go back to Lipa, I will remember you!

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