This just in:
Just when one kerfuffle over the automatic-writing mystic Vassula Ryden is announced, along comes another.
Now the Orthodox Church of Cyprus issued a statement about her on January 13. The Synodical Committee for Matters of Heresy warned:
I'm sure devotees and followers will not be deterred by this news however.In reality, her teachings are heretical, and her claims that she communicates directly with Christ are fantastical and outside of the spirit of the experience of the Church. - Source
Photo: Vassula at General Audience.
h/t Paula
Yep, it's kinda sad that followers will not believe that post. Self-proclaimed!
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You say it is sad that her "followers" (the wrong word) will not accept this. But you obviously don't know, or don't care, that the Patriarch of Alexandria and numerous other Orthodox bishops and Archbishops do not agree with this. The Synod of Cyprus is following its close neighbour - "Constantinople" (read Athens and Rhodos!), but as we have already said, there was no paper document sent to Vassula, no patriarchal seal - as regards Constantinople, nothing apart from the statement on the web. There has been no discussion, no proper canonical investigation - no dialogue with Vassula. Therefore the status of this latest statement is that it is an opinion. Vassula is accepted by the Patriarch of Alexandria (she was born in Egypt) as a faithful member of his Orthodox flock. Some other Orthodox authorities do not like this and - with regard to other Orthodox bishops who have supported her - are keen to go on the attack. Make of that what you will, but before making any other announcements, it might be a good idea to consult either the TLIG web site or to find some other way of getting your facts straight.
ReplyDeleteWhen we have the insights of real mystics like St. Faustina, why do we need to bother with the confusion from maybe-but-probably-not mystics like Vassula Ryden or Medjugorje?
ReplyDeleteYou don't, if you do not want to. However, if you really want an answer to this question I suggest you begin by reading her writings. I was a very fierce critic of Vassula before I read something she wrote (a substantial amount) and then met her. I was ignorant and had trusted in the comments of others who were also ignorant. The best answer to ignorance is knowledge.
ReplyDeleteDear Fr. Abberton, I ought not to have said it was sad, or to have assumed people would not be deterred by the latest news. Thanks for your good comments - I'm always deeply edified by your devotion. I hope and pray these matters will be clarified for believers soon.
ReplyDeleteGod bless you and please pray for me. Thank you.
Terry
'sad' may be used on how 'authorities' and 'laity' add to the confusions of the 'laity' and the 'authorities', and those outside the Church.
ReplyDeleteFather,
ReplyDeleteI am indeed ignorant about the specific writings of Ryden, and it is my intention to be, understood rightly.
Should the Church endorse her writings at some point, perhaps I would read them. As it stands now - and this is how I feel generally about all "mystics" or other "revelations" - I consider the matter a distraction at best, and even dangerous perhaps. There is so much otherwise in the Church worthy of attention and belief, in my view.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19951006_ryden_en.html
Funny. I thought that was Sharon Gee in the picture.
ReplyDeleteOne of her prophecies did come true. Jesus told her that - "the earth will shiver and shake -
ReplyDeleteand every evil built into Towers will collapse into a heap of rubble and be buried in the dust of sin!"
That message was given on Sept 11, 1991, exactly ten years before 9-11.
http://www.tlig.org/en/messages/654/
Why disbelieve when belief is so beautiful.
Peace
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ReplyDeleteSooo ... 9/11 was well-deserved punishment and the terrorists were God's instruments?
ReplyDeletePublic revelation is stupefying enough -- it seems to me that the very real hunger for private revelations and mystical communications (approved or not) might be a symptom of the laity lacking strong shepherds. We're wandering...
ReplyDeleteAustringer! I missed you - great comments as usual.
ReplyDeleteJesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews, and that wasn't a "well deserved punishment?" and the Romans weren't God's instruments in that?
ReplyDeleteJim - yes, he did do that. But it doesn't mean that it's true in this case. You are the first Catholic I have seen saying this.
ReplyDeleteSo, to get things straight, you velive 9/11 was God's punishment of America, and those who died were deserving of what happened to them, and this is based on a vague sentence spoken by a mystic whom many people have doubts about? Okay.
Personally, if God's gonna punish the US, we probably deserve more. But I think 9/11 was an attack by pieces of crap against mostly innocent folk.
And yes, no one is innocent, but by that logic then every disaster can be seen as just punishment: Indian Ocean tsunami, Haitian earthquake, Japanese tsunami, Hurricane Katrina (which hardly affected the engines of immorality in New Orleans at all but killed lots of poor people and ruined tge lives of working class families),etc.
ReplyDeleteI never said it was a punishment from God-- you did when you replied to my post.
ReplyDeleteI believe Jesus predicted what was to happen and it really is a sign of our age.
People are always drawing conclusions on their own. I never said anything about the terrorists being God's instruments to punish us, nor did Jesus in the message to Vassula.
I was pointing out that one of the ways to know a true prophet is when one of the predictions come to pass. How could Vassula have known about 9-11 ten years before it happened and written that message on the exact date. That was my point. Neither Jesus, Vassula nor myself said anything about terrorists being in the right and the people in the towers being punished.
Peace
Okay user your point, sorry.
ReplyDeleteBut the prophecy is weak, and vague. She said what she said but we fill in the rest on our own.
Most prophecies are vague. Jesus never tells us everything about the future in great detail. Look at the book of Revelations. But when something happens like 9-11 on that exact date of the message ten years later, then we can all put the pieces together and say, "maybe I should convert and change my life because things in the world are getting serious." That is what Jesus and Mary want in their messages. They are not intended to punish or judge any person, but to wake people up to the signs of the times. Many people are not living in the state of grace and need a big wake up call. I know I need one all the time. That is the reason for the tears, apparitions, messages, miracles. People need to start listening and changing their lives to love God above everything and put Him as the first place in their lives.
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we must not judge, for if this revelation is not from God, it will just vanish and be forgotten, but if this is from the Lord, it will continue according to His will, it is important not to sin against the Holy Spirit for the Gospel says, it can not be forgiven... so as the Spiritual battle is so tight in our era, so our prayers should be more fervent that ever.
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