Friday, December 17, 2010

Gee, what should we write about today? Let's talk incest.



Consensual...
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My friend sends me salacious articles on sex - almost every day.  LOL!  Just kidding P!  She's been sending some 'good' stuff on incest - not 'good' in any salacious sense - I used the word twice now - but informative as to what is going on behind the headlines and rapid cultural changes.  Very seriously, my friend shares her concerns and often times horror at what is going on in the world.  Case in point - Switzerland considers easing incest laws and the David Epstein case - Professor sleeps with daughter.  The following pull-quote from one of the articles is simply astonishing:
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"Academically, we are obviously all morally opposed to incest and rightfully so," Galluzzo said. "At the same time, there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms."

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"It's OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home," he said. "How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not." - Epstein's lawyer, Matthew Galluzzo.
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Tolerance leads to acceptance... and approval.
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I'm not really going to discuss these cases here, but the subject reminds me of what it was like growing up - knowing about such things, although no one really talked about it much less did anything about it.  Today unspeakable crimes and misdemeanors and perversions are out front, on TV, online, and spoken about in public.  Of course we live in a permissive age in which it seems the only politically correct and acceptable intolerance permitted is against traditional morality and guilt.  Hence the above argument in favor of incest almost comes off normal in our culture - and I tend to think Galluzzo is willfully deceptive when he says, "Academically, we are obviously all morally opposed to incest..."
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I grew up on the rough and tough side of town.  I think it only seemed rough to outsiders, as a kid I got along fine.  No, I was not bullied.  I faced challenges and got into fights of course, but I held my own I think.  That may explain why I'm not on board with all the anti-bullying laws and ordinances being proposed.  But I digress.
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Right to privacy.
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Growing up 'we' knew which kids were abused and molested and which families were incestuous.  Our parents knew, which is why my dad would tell me things like, "Don't ever go into Jennifer's house."  When I asked why, he just said, "Her dad's a fruit."
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"What's a fruit?"  I asked.
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"It means he's creepy."  My sister answered.

Oddly enough, Magnolia St. in those days was a hot bed for molesters and incestuous families.  The girl downstairs was molested by her cousin, her uncle slept with the wives of men who rented from him, the guy across the street tried to sell his older daughter in a bar and was said to have used her for sex himself.  Let's see, his other daughter was used by him as well.  Oh yeah - I was abused in a theater one Saturday during a screening of "North To Alaska".  This all happened before 7th grade.  I knew too much - but tried not to think about it, lest I sin by entertaining impure thoughts and stuff.  Nevertheless - people knew what was going on - all the kids knew - so at least some of the parents knew.  But people minded their own business in those days and no one talked about that kind of stuff openly.  Today we call that kind of minding our own business a perpetrator's right to privacy.
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How we got to where we are.
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Jump forward to my days out of school working in a major department store in the display department.  What a moral group that was.  Very gay.  The president of the company was known to have sex with teen boys in the dressing rooms of the Varsity Dept., as well as with stock boys in his office.  The entire store knew about it - the branch people knew about it.  Co-workers and department heads and branch managers were very immoral, promiscuous, and dishonest.
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Without going into great detail, the president of the company wasn't the only one having sex with teenage boys.  One of my own managers was known to like little boys.  I thought it was a joke until I saw him literally drooling over a little boy being led around the store by the boy's unsuspecting mother.  My point here is that no one ever said anything - they snickered and laughed about it - but nothing was done about it.  It was none of their business, and the other's right to privacy.
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That's what went on with the bishop/priest scandal as well.  Whisper about it but play dumb, and stay out of other people's business.  That is how we got here. 
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I think it is telling how behind the scenes kids are actually being taught some of the perversions I came across by chance growing up in a less than perfect family and neighborhood and first job experience - without the protection and guidance of stable parents and role models.  My friend sent me the following reminder:
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I will end with a quote from a published UNICEF/UN sex education booklet published for So. American students and distributed until outcry forced its removal ....

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Flashback - 2002
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NEW YORK — A UNICEF-funded book being passed out at the United Nations Child Summit encourages children to engage in sexual activities with other minors and with homosexuals and animals. ...
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An accompanying workshop book produced by the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) tells Latin American mothers and teens: "Situations in which you can obtain sexual pleasure: 1. Masturbation. 2. Sexual relations with a partner — whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. 3. A sexual response that is directed toward inanimate objects, animals, minors, non-consenting persons." ...
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I recall an actress on Oprah once talking about her work for the U.N. in India and the sense of accomplishment she felt after teaching the women and girls the joy of self pleasuring themselves.
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And yet we worry about telling our children there is a Santa Claus...
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Thanks P for the lead.
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16 comments:

  1. Quoting Peter Kreeft from C.S. Lewis for the Third Millennium, Chapter 4:

    Can the Natural Law Ever Be Abolished from the Heart of Man?

    "Saint Thomas Aquinas assures us that the natural law can never be abolished from the heart of man (S. T. 1-II,94,6). Is he right or is he wrong?

    This is one of the few things absolutely necessary to think about today. I say "few" because in wartime, as in sickness, your focus and perspective narrow. You see that 90 percent of everything you habitually think or do is dispensable. You see most scholarship as "inchworm, inchworm, measuring the marigolds"; most social science as rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic; and most theologians as fiddlers on the roof, fiddling while Rome burns. (In a world without heroes, they play the part of Neros.)

    Our question is a wartime question, in fact an apocalyptic question. Our Question is whether there is a Brave New World at the end of our social mudslide. If anyone believes such language is exaggerated, I welcome him back from his nice vacation on another planet. For surely we are living through what may well turn out to be the most radical revolution in the history of human thought, a revolution which is not just a "culture war" but a spiritual war, a moral and religious war. This war has raged throughout this strangest of centuries. At the human heart of this war is the revolution in values, a revolution away from moral laws to moral "values", away from objective natural law to subjective human values. Our question here is: How far can this revolution go? The natural law has been battered and has lost many battles; will it finally lose the war? Aquinas says no. Is he right?

    -t.b.c.-

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  2. This revolution has won over the intelligentsia of Wester civilization at a steadily increasing rate throughout modern media faster than Christianity converted the world in the first few centuries. Dechristianization is happening faster than Christianization did. We are caught in the middle of a gigantic sea change, and in one sense it is more radical than the one two thousand years ago, for the same reason divorce is a more radical change than marriage and death more traumatic than birth..."

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all need morality as a prerequisite to religion, as Eastern or New Age religious do not. For without a real, objective morality, without a natural law, and without conscience, we have no natural knowledge of the character of this God, of our obligations to this God, and of our broken relationship with this God... ...the abolition of the natural moral law would be like termites undermining the common foundation of all three Western religious buildings.

    Few philosophers clearly see that this is no accident but deliberate strategy. The prophetic Italian Marxist Gramsci saw it and predicted that Marxist atheism would triumph not militarily or even politically but educationally, by infiltrating the intelligentsia...

    My question is: Will 2094 be to 1994 what 1994 is to 1894? If the present curve continues, will we reach a Brave New World, a new humanity, "men without chests"? Could it happen that the natural law will be abolished from the heart of man? ...

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  3. (In my opinion) I suspect that incest is at an all time high right now and one reason in particular is that there are so many stepfather, step brother, etc.. family members of non familial relationships who feel no natural sense of boundries nor an obligation to protect.

    As many moms are trying to make a living and survive, God knows who her kids are with and what they're doing and we could debate this forever and a day but no one will care for your child like it's own mother and yes, I understand some of them aren't so great either.

    I would like to point out that anyone corrupting a child in any way will face Gods wrath, then Satans delight - not that Satan is ever really happy about anything anyway.

    But we sinners still have hope in Christs Divine mercy.. Redemption is still possible. Sex outside of marriage, greed, gluttony, sodomy,(insert 7 deadly sins here) are not worth going to hell for
    -none of this stuff is.

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  4. "I suspect that incest is at an all time high right now and one reason in particular is that there are so many stepfather, step brother, etc.. family members of non familial relationships who feel no natural sense of boundries nor an obligation to protect."
    I am afraid you are right, Belinda.

    And speaking of the "right to privacy"; wasn't that where we got Roe vs Wade?

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  5. I recently read comments on another blog where the whole idea of natural law is open to deconstruction. It is necessary for natural law to be discarded and ruled irrelevant for perversion to be accepted.

    Melody - you are right about Roe V Wade.

    Belinda - yes indeed - live-in boyfriends and extended family situations - so common.

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  6. Bambio Jesu, protect the innocence of children. God help those gross perverted sinners who destroy it. Preserve and heal those children (grown up children as well). AMen. Terry, may God bless you always.

    Belinda, I agree! This is why I don't think any mother worth her salt would "date" or remarry until her children are grown!

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  7. Georgette, I agree and it's one of the reasons why I would never marry again and with 7 daughters their safety is always on my mind. BUT after I read the stuff Terry writes about creepers, I'm just as worried about my boy. He will never be alone with anyone as long as I'm alive.

    How depraved is the soul which lusts after children. It's so very demonic.

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  8. Makes you wonder just how bad things in Sodom and Gomorrah must have been...

    The heart of man is growing sour
    His moral light glows dim;
    So who will stand on that last hour
    When sounds the voice of Him?

    The Lord once said, "'pon My return,
    shall I find faith on Earth?"
    Charity is cold, love fails to burn
    We suffer thru its dearth.

    Yet few today live through the strife
    And yearn for Heaven's door
    While those who forge Hell by their life
    Will endure thus forevermore.

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  9. Anonymous8:42 PM

    "...it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea." - Our Lord, meek and humble of heart

    M

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  10. Same way local foks turn their back on the poligamists that live in west and southern Utah...well outta sight, outta mind...they mind their own busines, and good God-fearing people...why should it matte that they are marrying 12 year old girls and getting them knocked up right away and turning theminto baby mills...girls don't need no education anyway, they gotta husband to take care of them...

    besides..it's part of our Mormon pioneer heritage...

    Our own Attorney General won't even prosecute them "because he came from a polygamous pioneer family"...

    give me a f'n break...

    Sara

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  11. +JMJ+

    It has been my experience that men who are happy to date single mothers usually also want to "date" the women's daughters. I'm not going to smear all the stepfathers out there--because, you know, they can't all be bad--but with the hyper-sexualised culture we have, in which anything is permissible as long as it's kept private and all parties have given some form of "consent" . . . well, I'm not optimistic.

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  12. Thanks for adding that Enbrethiliel. God bless you!

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  13. Joseph was a step-father.

    Just sayin.

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  14. Thom, I'm going to assume that you don't comprehend that you've lumped our good St Joseph with predator step fathers, grandfathers, uncles and creepers in general.

    That wasn't okay to write and because St.Joseph has done some amazing things in my life lately I feel very protective of him and of his character - which you have defamed.

    I'm sure you meant well or didn't understand what you had said as I've found many of your comments to be amusing in the past.

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  15. Belinda, I was responding to the notion that women shouldn't marry if they already have children.

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  16. I understand Thom,

    Some women are pretty stupid and rarely if ever consider their childrens safety.

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