Thursday, October 07, 2010

Archbishop Nienstedt's 'Gay' Mass...



Nienstedt upstaged by a prof.*
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Actually, Archbishop Nienstedt did NOT have a gay Mass.  But  there were a contingent of gay students at a Mass he celebrated at St. John's University at Collegeville, Minnesota this past weekend.  The students, sporting gay emblems, approached the Archbishop for Holy Communion.  He denied them Holy Communion and instead administered a blessing.  Big news item, right?
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So anyway, afterwards, a priest at the college celebrated a Mass wherein the students were allowed to receive Holy Communion:
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The Rev. Rene McGraw, a professor of philosophy at St. John's, said he held a short Mass for the small group later the same night in which he served all of them Communion. He took issue with the archdiocese's interpretation of canon law when it comes to who can receive Communion.
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"My understanding of church law is that one is not to deny communion to anyone unless he or she is a public sinner, and that has traditionally been interpreted very narrowly," McGraw said. "My instinct was these are people who were in need, I'm supportive of them, therefore I'm happy to say Mass for them." - Source 
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It sure seems to me Fr. McGraw doesn't give a crap about Church law - he celebrated a Mass to undermine the Archbishop and distributed Communion to the protesters.  So what happens now?  This is where things could get interesting:  How will Archbishop Nienstedt deal with this priest, who more or less "opposed him to his face"?  (Although Fr. McGraw may not be under the Archbishp's canonical jurisdiction.)
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But then there's Michael Tegeder.
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Fr. Michael Tegeder, pastor of St. Edward’s Church in Bloomington, MN.  Fr.  Tegeder argues that the bishops would do better to focus on a real threat to marriage: poverty.
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What are the real threats to marriage? The Sept. 29 story “Economy is Hitting Hearts and Wallets,” about the effects of our current economy on marriage, said that “being broke and unemployed is not conducive to matrimony, young Americans are finding. In 2009, the number of young adults (25-34) who have never tied the knot surpassed those who had married for the first time since data collection began more than a century ago.”
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In every serious study, poverty is the top reason for marital breakdowns. It is very hard to make the case that a small percentage of the population who bond with members of their own sex and seek to live in a committed relationship could have anything but a positive effect on the general population’s appreciation of stable, faithful, life-giving unions. - Minneapolis Star Tribune
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Tom Roberts of NCR interviewed Tegeder, who has never hidden his disagreements with Nienstedt’s leadership style.
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Asked if he feared reprisal, he recalled that he’d already been threatened by the archbishop “with excommunication and interdict” for installing a cremation garden at the church. When he was called on the carpet, he said, he was able to produce documentation that showed his parish had complied with all of the diocesan and state regulations.
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“If he throws me out I can walk away from this with my head up … I love ministry. I wake up at 5 every day and stay busy until midnight. I love it. I’m energized by the opportunities.” But some things just need to be said, he remarked. - Commonweal
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Denying Communion is one thing, getting the priests in line and on board is another matter.
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Photo:  St. John's Abbey church - on a cold day in hell.
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*H/T to Cathy

35 comments:

  1. That is the most butt-ugly church I have ever seen. Except for St. Joseph the Worker in Maple Grove, that is.

    Every time I see that big huge cement drive-in screen I just feel sick.

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  2. Yeah - I read that carp at Pewsitter this morning. It's not improving my flu...

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  3. Terry,

    Why do you think he may not be under Neinstedt's canonical jurisdiction?

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  4. I'm wondering if he is Benedictine or from another diocese or country? - and then I'm not sure how all of that works if the guy is a monk - is it up to his abbot or the bishop of whatever place he is from? I don't know much about canon law - so I left it open.

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  5. Aceman11:07 AM

    Were the students being disruptive at the Mass? Is that why you called them "protestors?" Or did they just have on pink triangles or sashes or something like that? Is that enough to barr you from Communion?

    Anyway--I don't believe that there would be any gay students at a Catholic university. They must have been imported.

    Ace ;-)

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  6. They were wearing rainbow campaign-style buttons.

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  7. I wonder, has Randall Terry ever been denied the Eucharist for protesting Bishops and Masses? Is it the act that draws censure, or the motivation?

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  8. and Tinkie-winkie handbags.

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  9. The most gruesome acts of violence are committed in silence.

    When these children of Caesar put those buttons or colors or anything else that flies in the face of the Blessed Sacrament the Bishop was correct in denying public sinners communion and in giving them the Exorcism blessing instead of the "Benedicat vos omnipotens Deus..." blessing. (There is an Exorcism blessing a Priest may say if needed)

    Children of Christ do not engage in acts of defiance before the Blessed Sacrament.

    People need to get their focus. Perverts are making a charge against the Good and Holy God and His Church under the guise of Anti-Bullying programs and laws.

    They want us to accept and participate in their sins by being accomplices to them.

    Whoever the Priest was that contradicted the Bishop, he should have been punished immediately for his insubordination. It makes no difference who his direct boss is, he should be punished publicly, immediately, and sent to his boss for more punishment.

    *

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  10. Thom - to be honest I know very little about Randall Terry - I can only follow so many fanatics at a time. ;)

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  11. :-)

    S'ok. I know what you mean. But it is an interesting, legitimate question.

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  12. Wouldn't this McGraw fellow be under the jurisdiction of the bishop of St. Cloud? I believe that canonically religious orders are still answerable to the bishops of the diocese in which they reside or serve.

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  13. This should not come as a shock to anyone who knows anything about "that place"...
    Archbishop hit the veritable "hornet's nest"...the "vortex"...of dissent, disobedience, immorality and just plain stupidity...good for him!
    Protesting ain't the problem; being pubically aligned with something that is by the Church's teaching, immoral:gay sex; not "being gay", by the way), is the point here.
    (Sorry, Thom; we been gettin' along so well lately:-)!!)

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  14. Oh, Father, no worries. :-)

    But just so I'm clear: it's OK to protest a Bishop or a Mass, so long as it's in-line with official teachings?

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  15. I don't think that "protesting" during Mass, in any venue, is appropriate. If somebody has a gripe with a Bishop, there are appropriate means to address it.
    Public Masses are NOT the appropriate way, in my opinion.
    Randall Terry is an "embarrassment" even to those who might agree with him; he did a real "number" on Archbishop Burke a year or so ago.
    So, to answer your question, Thom, in my opinion, "No, it is not alright to use the Mass as a moment for protest...no matter what."
    If people are offended by liturgical abuse or sacrilege, they should get up and leave; and then address this in another forum.
    Just my thoughts.

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  16. In response to several queries on what is a Tinkie-Winkie handbag. It is a little purple Teletubbie-fur handbag (purse) with a lime green paten-leather strap and yellow gold snap closure with an embedded i-phone on the side... popularized by by the late Jerry Falwell.

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  17. ...and Terry, I must say, you look very fetching when you carry yours!

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  18. Thom - I was just baiting you or Ace - I geuss I deserved that one. LOL!

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  19. Aceman5:13 PM

    Sorry Terry, Thom beat me to that one, so I won't take the bait.

    OK--back on topic. So the students/protesters were at the Mass, like everyone else was, but wearing these buttons? They weren't disrupting it, standing when everyone else was sitting or kneeling, or laying the aisles, or anything else like that? Yet they were denied communion? OK then...

    Quite honestly, when I see these guys in church who wear feathery commodore hats and black capes lined with red, green, magenta, yellow, and other rainbow colors, AND brandishing swords while standing in the aisles disrupting processions and such, I walk out. I can't stand it when groups co-opt the Mass for themselves and cause a scene like that. I need to write to some bishops or something about it.

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  20. Amen Ace--

    I guess I really need to consider carefully what I wear to Mass...especially Daily Mass...the weather is a getting colder and I'll be wearing my biker leathers with I'm on my motorcycle...

    But just to reassure everyone--I DO wear pants under my chaps...

    Our Lady of the Rosary--pray for us!!

    Sara

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  21. I think the church is cool-looking...at first I thought I was a radar site.. :)

    Sara

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  22. (Carmel)Ites on Bikes!

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  23. C'm on, guys...
    these students WERE making a political and anti-Catholic Church statement...
    The Archbishop was doing what he needed to do as a pastor/father of souls...they were NOT properly disposed to receive Holy Communion by the very fact that they espoused something opposed to Church teaching.
    We can argue all we want about it; he was doing his duty.

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  24. Indulge me this.

    In the land of "what-ifs"--- What if someone believed that the Second Vatican Council was in error, and in serious error when they reformed the Mass. Is a person properly disposed to receive HC because they espouse a view contrary to Church teaching?

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  25. Thom: If they reject VII, no.
    It's not so simple as that, I'm afraid.
    Life is complicated; we're living in a "mess" right now;
    and, those folks who reject VII wouldn't want to receive Holy Communion at a "New Rite" Mass...believe me...I deal with this more than I care to...idiots!

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  26. Thom: I've actually had the experience of folks who do NOT want to receive a "host" that might have been consecrated at an OF Mass.
    I don't even cater to this crap.
    The Mass is the Mass.
    If they're that uptight about receiving Holy Communion, from a priest validly ordained (they might
    question that...uhm, Arch. Raymond Burke ordained me...is he is in schism?} in whatever Rite, then they can be uptight and forgo receiving...I will not, absolutely not, be a participant in this kind of crap.

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  27. Thom ~ I think this post was written for you. Unless you hate Dominicans so much you reject everything St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, you might find the answer to your question here:

    http://disputations.blogspot.com/

    (Check the recent posts dated this week...I didn't isolate the links because he's got a couple that are related, back to back).

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  28. Thomnus and Ace - the students were trying to make a statement and I agree with Fr. NP. You guys know that as well.

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  29. Wow - very strong commentary on this, especially about Fr. McGraw - by Dr. Jeffrey Mirus at Catholic Culture.

    Go read: Wolves among the Sheep: The Collegeville Affair

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  30. The enemy of our souls has always used the same tactic in the face of objective truth , partial truth expressed in a slightly bent fashion (pseudo intellectualism is also always encourage practice). People fall for it when objective truth isn't presented so I thank God for even one clergyman who, like the ArchBishop, will stand by the truth. God for the ArchBishop. God help the other cleric to repent

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  31. I still don't think that he should have denied them communion. Even if they were trying to make a statement.

    I've seen people march half way around the church to get communion from the priest because they wouldn't take it from a lay person. If that's not making a statement of protest against the Church too, I don't know what is.

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  32. Amen Ace...

    As an EMHC I provide people with a small chalice containing the Precious Blood. I have no idea if they have been to confession recently, or if they are in mortal sin..I do not have the ability to read souls. I am also not very nosy into folk personal lives, so I do know know who is actively gay, or who is shacking up, etc.

    If a small child looking to be about 5 approaches me, though, I WILL ask him/her if they can receive Holy Communion..

    The rest---well it is up to the integrity of the people.

    I remember a couple of years ago the discussion of whether or not to give John Kerry Holy Communion. Well--the way I see it--if he went to confession RIGHT BEFORE Mass (or even during Mass--there are churches out there where you can receive confession during the Mass)--then no one can deny him Communion. He's not in mortal sin. What he does afterwards is another problem..

    Anyway ...that is my understanding..

    Sara

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  33. Adoro, that was unnecessarily catty, but I'll check it anyway. Thanks for thinking to link me.

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  34. Ace,

    The rainbow buttons and sashes are a form of protest as it's a sign that those wearing them are in support of homosexual activity, and against church teaching. They've known for years that anyone wearing such rainbow items will not receive communion.

    My understanding of religious orders is that they operate within the diocese with permission; the Bishop may have the right to ask the priest to leave his territory.

    In any case, I will continue to pray for Abp. Nienstedt.

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